Wow Robin Williams Dies

[ryanman]

I think people are generally fed up with mental health sufferers. It's easy enough to be the bleeding heart liberal on paper and say all this stuff about being tolerant and all that other nonsense, but to be dealing with them is a whole other story.

ME ME ME!!! MY NEEDS! MY SUFFERING!!! YOU DONT KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE TO BE MEEEEEE! WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE MEEEEEE! HELP MEEEE! UNDERSTAND MEEEE! MEE MEE MEEEEEEE! HOW COME YOUR WORLD DOESN'T REVOLVE AROUND MEEEEE!

Ugh.

Your mask just slipped there. What an idiot you are.

Sorry, I perhaps I shouldn't be personal. It's just you post as though you are an idiot.

[Beanflicker]

Sorry, I perhaps I shouldn't be personal. It's just you post as though you are an idiot.

Yeah but you can't pick apart what's wrong or stupid about what I said mate.

I don't even think you comprehend what I said.

[ryanman]

Sorry, I perhaps I shouldn't be personal. It's just you post as though you are an idiot.

Yeah but you can't pick apart what's wrong or stupid about what I said mate.

I don't even think you comprehend what I said.

Yeah your last post was all a bit high brow for me....

Very classy too considering what this thread is about.

To put it simply, yes of course suicide is selfish, and yes of course it's the wrong decision. But the point is me (and you I presume) are making that judgement with a healthy mind.
Clinical, deep depression robs somebody of that rational thought process. So we should not judge their desperate actions when we are not in their position.
Would you judge a dementia sufferer by the actions they take?

The very nature of depression is that it changes your brain patterns. Sufferers do not have the benefit of the rational, logical minds that healthy people have.

[Beanflicker]

To put it simply, yes of course suicide is selfish, and yes of course it's the wrong decision. But the point is me (and you I presume) are making that judgement with a healthy mind.
Clinical, deep depression robs somebody of that rational thought process. So we should not judge their desperate actions when we are not in their position.
Would you judge a dementia sufferer by the actions they take?

The very nature of depression is that it changes your brain patterns. Sufferers do not have the benefit of the rational, logical minds that healthy people have.

Riddle me this, mate: what did I say in my post that you quoted that went against anything you just said here?

[El Kabong]

To put it simply, yes of course suicide is selfish, and yes of course it's the wrong decision. But the point is me (and you I presume) are making that judgement with a healthy mind.
Clinical, deep depression robs somebody of that rational thought process. So we should not judge their desperate actions when we are not in their position.
Would you judge a dementia sufferer by the actions they take?

The very nature of depression is that it changes your brain patterns. Sufferers do not have the benefit of the rational, logical minds that healthy people have.

Riddle me this, mate: what did I say in my post that you quoted that went against anything you just said here?

Ah my copyrighted phrase! (which yes was also used by The Riddler)

[Spicoli]

I really liked Williams. He was outstanding and there will not be another like him.

[ryanman]

To put it simply, yes of course suicide is selfish, and yes of course it's the wrong decision. But the point is me (and you I presume) are making that judgement with a healthy mind.
Clinical, deep depression robs somebody of that rational thought process. So we should not judge their desperate actions when we are not in their position.
Would you judge a dementia sufferer by the actions they take?

The very nature of depression is that it changes your brain patterns. Sufferers do not have the benefit of the rational, logical minds that healthy people have.

Riddle me this, mate: what did I say in my post that you quoted that went against anything you just said here?

You've said they are weak men. Called it the cowards way out. You also just posted a 'ME ME ME' etc post that is pretty obvious you are judging them harshly.

Those are comments that go against what I was saying of it's not right to judge their actions from the perspective of a healthy mind. You are clearly condemning their actions and using a viewpoint from a healthy mind to do so. I say that that isn't a fair way to judge them.

[El Kabong]

Now they are saying he had Parkinson's as well. That couldn't have helped

[Beanflicker]

Now they are saying he had Parkinson's as well. That couldn't have helped

Damn to be honest that makes it a lot more understandable for me. Truthfully if I was diagnosed with something like that or ALS I'd probably commit suicide.

[Gandalf]

Now they are saying he had Parkinson's as well. That couldn't have helped

Aye. Factor in the serious money issues thus doing films he wasn't into, then the usual depression, along with a life changing illness. It's no wonder the bloke was down.

It sounds like a rotten situation that he was in and likely felt there was no way out. It's very tragic and I still think if alimony wasn't such an evil thing, then he would have had money in the bank and less to worry about when tackling his illness. Instead, he had a mountain on him and just couldn't take it. With the resources, ability to stay home, then maybe he could have got through it.

I feel he was hard done by with the demands on him. The mainstream media doesn't talk about the extra issues, only the depression, and Gupta on CNN almost seemed to be using the moment to promote brain chips for depressed people. I cannot say I was taken with the idea.

[Beanflicker]

You've said they are weak men. Called it the cowards way out. You also just posted a 'ME ME ME' etc post that is pretty obvious you are judging them harshly.

Those are comments that go against what I was saying of it's not right to judge their actions from the perspective of a healthy mind. You are clearly condemning their actions and using a viewpoint from a healthy mind to do so. I say that that isn't a fair way to judge them.

I don't remember saying that (without taking it back, anyway).

What I said in the post you quotes was, in summary, that people typically have a shorter fuse with mentally ill people because it's always selfish, always about them, always "me me me".

What you said was yeah, it is selfish and it is me me me, but people should try to be more understanding because mentally ill people often don't realize how selfish they're being due to the illness.

I don't really see how these are opposing viewpoints, or how what I said could even be argued. Any mental health advocate will tell you that there isn't enough compassion and understanding given to those with mental health issues.

Instead, you ran in like a white knight without even really acknowledging what I was saying. I didn't even give a personal viewpoint in what I said. You basically agreed with what I said.

[ryanman]

You've said they are weak men. Called it the cowards way out. You also just posted a 'ME ME ME' etc post that is pretty obvious you are judging them harshly.

Those are comments that go against what I was saying of it's not right to judge their actions from the perspective of a healthy mind. You are clearly condemning their actions and using a viewpoint from a healthy mind to do so. I say that that isn't a fair way to judge them.

I don't remember saying that (without taking it back, anyway).

What I said in the post you quotes was, in summary, that people typically have a shorter fuse with mentally ill people because it's always selfish, always about them, always "me me me".

What you said was yeah, it is selfish and it is me me me, but people should try to be more understanding because mentally ill people often don't realize how selfish they're being due to the illness.

I don't really see how these are opposing viewpoints, or how what I said could even be argued. Any mental health advocate will tell you that there isn't enough compassion and understanding given to those with mental health issues.

Instead, you ran in like a white knight without even really acknowledging what I was saying. I didn't even give a personal viewpoint in what I said. You basically agreed with what I said.

Valid observations. But my post was in reply to your whole body of work in this thread. You have used terms such as 'weak men' etc. I'm just saying that I don't think that is a fair judgement. Pretty sure that makes sense.