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In addition the Kessler fight is a little deceiving. I doubt very much that a boxer like Ward intentionally uses his head. The risk in that intent is just as high for the giver as it is the receiver unless the giver has a frontal skull like Vassiliy Jirov. Kessler gets clipped standing still because he's trying to set to throw a punch and Ward is operating on the fly and doing a fair amount of switch hitting. Wards head is in front of his body at times but I dont see him "using" it.
"Let's be honest here, Ward came in like a billygoat" - Al Bernstein

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Excessive holding? Again I just dont see it. I mean consider where the BAR is for that. The heavyweight champion of the world fights like a set of living room drapes and to my knowledge has never been warned.
(Video) Ward-Kessler: The Clinches

Al Bernstein can be a tad dramatic and tends to follow whatever the accepted talk is at ringside.
Here is the fight. Show me all the intentional head butts? The clinch vid you posted is slanted. Put it in context and watch the entire fight.

I already said he got away with some shit but Wards fouling prowess is starting to make its way into urban legend status. I dont like the twat either but people are piling it on a little thick. You concluded in your opening post that he would need to cheat in multiple ways to win and that's ridiculous given the mans skill level.


In addition you cant just pick and chose what holding is or excessive holding based on whether you like the person or not and if I'm a Wlad fan I'm not even bringing up the topic.

And eric clinching has been a part of boxing since its grappling days and countless people both famous and not have used it as a tactical offense and defense.