David Haines beheading: David Cameron says Britain will hunt down Isis 'monsters'

[Britkid]

These people are not cowards. You do not go to war voluntarily if you are a coward.

There is a need to support those fighting IS, also to win over the general population, so the likes of IS are broken up permanently. This is not going to be easy, IS is a cruel but clever opponent, and we sadly are going to see more scenes like this.

For our part we should not alienate or demonize the whole of the British Muslim community. If we do, guess what? Some will fall under the spell of IS, and go and fight for them. And this will lead to more terrible acts.

Anti Muslim propaganda just makes IS's task easier and the Allies' harder.

[Dark Lord Al]

These people are not cowards. You do not go to war voluntarily if you are a coward.

There is a need to support those fighting IS, also to win over the general population, so the likes of IS are broken up permanently. This is not going to be easy, IS is a cruel but clever opponent, and we sadly are going to see more scenes like this.

For our part we should not alienate or demonize the whole of the British Muslim community. If we do, guess what? Some will fall under the spell of IS, and go and fight for them. And this will lead to more terrible acts.

Anti Muslim propaganda just makes IS's task easier and the Allies' harder.

Who is preaching anti Muslim other than these Isis Muslims themselves ?

[Britkid]

These people are not cowards. You do not go to war voluntarily if you are a coward.

There is a need to support those fighting IS, also to win over the general population, so the likes of IS are broken up permanently. This is not going to be easy, IS is a cruel but clever opponent, and we sadly are going to see more scenes like this.

For our part we should not alienate or demonize the whole of the British Muslim community. If we do, guess what? Some will fall under the spell of IS, and go and fight for them. And this will lead to more terrible acts.

Anti Muslim propaganda just makes IS's task easier and the Allies' harder.

Who is preaching anti Muslim other than these Isis Muslims themselves ?

Your comment does not help; religious freedom is the peoples right in this Country. I am an atheist, but I would not want the State to force all Muslims to not cover their faces, it is their right. If you want that sort of thing, go to France, where that is law (to a degree).

But you are right about IS not living by the Islamic ideology.

[ryanman]

These people are not cowards. You do not go to war voluntarily if you are a coward.

There is a need to support those fighting IS, also to win over the general population, so the likes of IS are broken up permanently. This is not going to be easy, IS is a cruel but clever opponent, and we sadly are going to see more scenes like this.

For our part we should not alienate or demonize the whole of the British Muslim community. If we do, guess what? Some will fall under the spell of IS, and go and fight for them. And this will lead to more terrible acts.

Anti Muslim propaganda just makes IS's task easier and the Allies' harder.

Who is preaching anti Muslim other than these Isis Muslims themselves ?

Your comment does not help; religious freedom is the peoples right in this Country. I am an atheist, but I would not want the State to force all Muslims to not cover their faces, it is their right. If you want that sort of thing, go to France, where that is law (to a degree).

But you are right about IS not living by the Islamic ideology.

Agree largely, except the issue of face covering is complex. It isn't always right they choose to have.
I think of Afghanistan for instance where there was never a tradition of women wearing the full Burka. The Taliban enforced that in the late 80s. There are other examples too. It isn't always an ancient old tradition to be revered and unchallenged. Same for forced marriage, FGM etc.
Certainly don't agree with a blanket ban, as for some it is a genuine choice, but we should also be mindful that for many it is not a choice they have made.
Also, my understanding is that the full Burka is not a requirement of Islam nor mentioned in that way in the Qu'ran.

[Britkid]

Agree largely, except the issue of face covering is complex. It isn't always right they choose to have.
I think of Afghanistan for instance where there was never a tradition of women wearing the full Burka. The Taliban enforced that in the late 80s. There are other examples too. It isn't always an ancient old tradition to be revered and unchallenged. Same for forced marriage, FGM etc.
Certainly don't agree with a blanket ban, as for some it is a genuine choice, but we should also be mindful that for many it is not a choice they have made.
Also, my understanding is that the full Burka is not a requirement of Islam nor mentioned in that way in the Qu'ran.

Yes, face covering is a complex issue that scholars argue over, and I am no Muslim scholar.

My point is, in the UK's society there should be no blanket ban of the act. As I think you suggest it needs to be interpreted in individual situations. And that is something that is already in place in this Country (the UK).

[ryanman]

Agree largely, except the issue of face covering is complex. It isn't always right they choose to have.
I think of Afghanistan for instance where there was never a tradition of women wearing the full Burka. The Taliban enforced that in the late 80s. There are other examples too. It isn't always an ancient old tradition to be revered and unchallenged. Same for forced marriage, FGM etc.
Certainly don't agree with a blanket ban, as for some it is a genuine choice, but we should also be mindful that for many it is not a choice they have made.
Also, my understanding is that the full Burka is not a requirement of Islam nor mentioned in that way in the Qu'ran.

Yes, face covering is a complex issue that scholars argue over, and I am no Muslim scholar.

My point is, in the UK's society there should be no blanket ban of the act. As I think you suggest it needs to be interpreted in individual situations. And that is something that is already in place in this Country (the UK).

Agreed.

[Dia bando]

These people are not cowards. You do not go to war voluntarily if you are a coward.

There is a need to support those fighting IS, also to win over the general population, so the likes of IS are broken up permanently. This is not going to be easy, IS is a cruel but clever opponent, and we sadly are going to see more scenes like this.

For our part we should not alienate or demonize the whole of the British Muslim community. If we do, guess what? Some will fall under the spell of IS, and go and fight for them. And this will lead to more terrible acts.

Anti Muslim propaganda just makes IS's task easier and the Allies' harder.

Being Liberal has done no good what so ever, hard line stance must be taken we have allowed
Fundamentalist to preach hate, why because we are fucking stupid and treated them as decent
human beings, which they are not. The Muslim community only have themselves to blame, in
not speaking out of the atrocity's carried out by some of there own, as for alienating them they
do that themselves in not coming out and publicly condoning Fundamentalists.
They now live in Britain remember tolerance, is not a one way street we give a lot, but I am afraid our tolerance is running out, the death penalty back for members IS's and lets just hang them.

[Gandalf]

My point always goes back to a) who funded? and b) who armed Isis? c) who trained?

If we are serious, then Obama and Cameron need to step down first.

[Britkid]

These people are not cowards. You do not go to war voluntarily if you are a coward.

There is a need to support those fighting IS, also to win over the general population, so the likes of IS are broken up permanently. This is not going to be easy, IS is a cruel but clever opponent, and we sadly are going to see more scenes like this.

For our part we should not alienate or demonize the whole of the British Muslim community. If we do, guess what? Some will fall under the spell of IS, and go and fight for them. And this will lead to more terrible acts.

Anti Muslim propaganda just makes IS's task easier and the Allies' harder.

Being Liberal has done no good what so ever, hard line stance must be taken we have allowed
Fundamentalist to preach hate, why because we are fucking stupid and treated them as decent
human beings, which they are not. The Muslim community only have themselves to blame, in
not speaking out of the atrocity's carried out by some of there own, as for alienating them they
do that themselves in not coming out and publicly condoning Fundamentalists.
They now live in Britain remember tolerance, is not a one way street we give a lot, but I am afraid our tolerance is running out, the death penalty back for members IS's and lets just hang them.

So what you are suggesting is we need a British Caliphate. Our own Caliph can rule over us, ridding us 300+ years of the tolerant and liberal standards of the UK. We can then experience the 'security' of knowing our State can do with us as they wish with no trial or as you suggest tolerance. You go on the wrong website, you lose a hand; you go out with the wrong friend you lose your head...

[Beanz]

These people are not cowards. You do not go to war voluntarily if you are a coward.

There is a need to support those fighting IS, also to win over the general population, so the likes of IS are broken up permanently. This is not going to be easy, IS is a cruel but clever opponent, and we sadly are going to see more scenes like this.

For our part we should not alienate or demonize the whole of the British Muslim community. If we do, guess what? Some will fall under the spell of IS, and go and fight for them. And this will lead to more terrible acts.

Anti Muslim propaganda just makes IS's task easier and the Allies' harder.

Being Liberal has done no good what so ever, hard line stance must be taken we have allowed
Fundamentalist to preach hate, why because we are fucking stupid and treated them as decent
human beings, which they are not. The Muslim community only have themselves to blame, in
not speaking out of the atrocity's carried out by some of there own, as for alienating them they
do that themselves in not coming out and publicly condoning Fundamentalists.
They now live in Britain remember tolerance, is not a one way street we give a lot, but I am afraid our tolerance is running out, the death penalty back for members IS's and lets just hang them.

So what you are suggesting is we need a British Caliphate. Our own Caliph can rule over us, ridding us 300+ years of the tolerant and liberal standards of the UK. We can then experience the 'security' of knowing our State can do with us as they wish with no trial or as you suggest tolerance. You go on the wrong website, you lose a hand; you go out with the wrong friend you lose your head...

That is a gross misrepresentation of what Dia said. Removing hands and heads is something you have added to justify your own uncomfortable reaction to an opinion that does not chime with what you think is the answer. The kind of Islam presided over in this country originates in Saudi Arabia and is not I am afraid to inform you rooted in tolerance. It has no concept of personal responsibility and morality and is tainted by the idea that shame is only what you feel in the context of the community, as in what other muslims think of you. Guilt is not personal so is it any wonder what the extreme fundamental expression of this becomes ? Those partaking in such heinous acts wish to belong to a society that we as British citizens want no part of. You may be an atheist but you have grown up in a Christian country and they are not playing by your rules. It is OK to lie to you to pacify you. That may sound prejudiced and biased to you but it is the truth. The freedoms you hold dear will fast disappear if you think that intolerance is just a symptom of some small disenfranchised minority within British Muslims.

[Britkid]

That is a gross misrepresentation of what Dia said. Removing hands and heads is something you have added to justify your own uncomfortable reaction to an opinion that does not chime with what you think is the answer. The kind of Islam presided over in this country originates in Saudi Arabia and is not I am afraid to inform you rooted in tolerance. It has no concept of personal responsibility and morality and is tainted by the idea that shame is only what you feel in the context of the community, as in what other muslims think of you. Guilt is not personal so is it any wonder what the extreme fundamental expression of this becomes ? Those partaking in such heinous acts wish to belong to a society that we as British citizens want no part of. You may be an atheist but you have grown up in a Christian country and they are not playing by your rules. It is OK to lie to you to pacify you. That may sound prejudiced and biased to you but it is the truth. The freedoms you hold dear will fast disappear if you think that intolerance is just a symptom of some small disenfranchised minority within British Muslims.

The reason this country works is because although considered a Christian country, our real religion is Capitalism. That is a 'religion' that can overpower IS. To become more extreme is what IS want, they want to place their values on us, and the likes of Dia bando make the job of IS that bit easier, if that is really what they believe. The UK is finally becoming a more liberal country, not less. Although occasionally taking the odd backward step, we do realize that social tolerance benefits the majority, and the extremes of society is not the way to go.

Although you are entitled to your opinion, the evidence is less than .01% of the British Muslim population has gone to fight in Iraq and Syria, that is a very 'small disenfranchised minority'. A lot more people went to fight in the Spanish Civil War, but this did not lead to an increase in Communism and Anarchism in the UK. There is no need to take a step back as a Country, the Government already has the 'tools' to deal with this, if they need more there is time to get agreement in Parliament.

[Dia bando]

That is a gross misrepresentation of what Dia said. Removing hands and heads is something you have added to justify your own uncomfortable reaction to an opinion that does not chime with what you think is the answer. The kind of Islam presided over in this country originates in Saudi Arabia and is not I am afraid to inform you rooted in tolerance. It has no concept of personal responsibility and morality and is tainted by the idea that shame is only what you feel in the context of the community, as in what other muslims think of you. Guilt is not personal so is it any wonder what the extreme fundamental expression of this becomes ? Those partaking in such heinous acts wish to belong to a society that we as British citizens want no part of. You may be an atheist but you have grown up in a Christian country and they are not playing by your rules. It is OK to lie to you to pacify you. That may sound prejudiced and biased to you but it is the truth. The freedoms you hold dear will fast disappear if you think that intolerance is just a symptom of some small disenfranchised minority within British Muslims.

The reason this country works is because although considered a Christian country, our real religion is Capitalism. That is a 'religion' that can overpower IS. To become more extreme is what IS want, they want to place their values on us, and the likes of Dia bando make the job of IS that bit easier, if that is really what they believe. The UK is finally becoming a more liberal country, not less. Although occasionally taking the odd backward step, we do realize that social tolerance benefits the majority, and the extremes of society is not the way to go.

Although you are entitled to your opinion, the evidence is less than .01% of the British Muslim population has gone to fight in Iraq and Syria, that is a very 'small disenfranchised minority'. A lot more people went to fight in the Spanish Civil War, but this did not lead to an increase in Communism and Anarchism in the UK. There is no need to take a step back as a Country, the Government already has the 'tools' to deal with this, if they need more there is time to get agreement in Parliament.

This is not the Spanish civil war, a guy from our village fought in that war and the WW2, they made
a film about him Tom Spain, there were two factions in Spain in the Middle East there are more factions than 2, by the way YOU NEVER ANSWERED my question , would you fight to defend your family or duck behind the 3 piece sweet.

[El Kabong]

A) How do you know the beheader is a Londoner?

B ) ISIS got their arms from the allied forces miles because Obama pulled the troops out leaving a VOID which ISIS has filled.

C) Obama wanted so badly to be President Peace Prize, but War isn't an easy venture, you can't half ass a war and that's exactly what America has done because it apparently isn't kosher to use 100% of the force America has on people who don't stand a chance against us. And yes that makes no fucking sense what so ever.

America fighting a war these days is like a Prime Mike Tyson being told "You're only allowed to win by UD".....we need to and should have already unleashed pure Biblical Hell on these motherfucks and collapsed this idea of caliphates as soon as it sprung up!

[Britkid]

This is not the Spanish civil war, a guy from our village fought in that war and the WW2, they made
a film about him Tom Spain, there were two factions in Spain in the Middle East there are more factions than 2, by the way YOU NEVER ANSWERED my question , would you fight to defend your family or duck behind the 3 piece sweet.

I would say the Spanish Civil War is a fair example. With every extreme from Fascist to Anarchist involved in the fight.

But anyway back to your final point, the answer is to gain the trust of the local population. We have tried fighting for the last decade or so, that does not seem to have worked, so maybe showing the benefits of the Capitalist system (a stable life, with minimal risk of being blown up by extremists) is the way to go. That seems to me the best way to deal with the problem and keep my family safe.

[Beanz]

That is a gross misrepresentation of what Dia said. Removing hands and heads is something you have added to justify your own uncomfortable reaction to an opinion that does not chime with what you think is the answer. The kind of Islam presided over in this country originates in Saudi Arabia and is not I am afraid to inform you rooted in tolerance. It has no concept of personal responsibility and morality and is tainted by the idea that shame is only what you feel in the context of the community, as in what other muslims think of you. Guilt is not personal so is it any wonder what the extreme fundamental expression of this becomes ? Those partaking in such heinous acts wish to belong to a society that we as British citizens want no part of. You may be an atheist but you have grown up in a Christian country and they are not playing by your rules. It is OK to lie to you to pacify you. That may sound prejudiced and biased to you but it is the truth. The freedoms you hold dear will fast disappear if you think that intolerance is just a symptom of some small disenfranchised minority within British Muslims.

The reason this country works is because although considered a Christian country, our real religion is Capitalism. That is a 'religion' that can overpower IS. To become more extreme is what IS want, they want to place their values on us, and the likes of Dia bando make the job of IS that bit easier, if that is really what they believe. The UK is finally becoming a more liberal country, not less. Although occasionally taking the odd backward step, we do realize that social tolerance benefits the majority, and the extremes of society is not the way to go.

Although you are entitled to your opinion, the evidence is less than .01% of the British Muslim population has gone to fight in Iraq and Syria, that is a very 'small disenfranchised minority'. A lot more people went to fight in the Spanish Civil War, but this did not lead to an increase in Communism and Anarchism in the UK. There is no need to take a step back as a Country, the Government already has the 'tools' to deal with this, if they need more there is time to get agreement in Parliament.

With all due respect this is not just my opinion garnered by looking at religion as an outsider and drawing conclusions from a limited base of knowledge and experience. I do not know if that is what you are suggesting but I suspect that is what you mean and that you truly believe that your religion of capitalism will hold the keys to overpower IS. In this way you are not so very different from Lyle. Lyle is honest and clever enough though to realise that reason will not work when dealing with religious bigots/zealots/fools.

I am not a subscriber to the same belief system and have seen that the elevation of unrestrained money driven capital has in this country led to an erosion of moral principles and useful , meaningful traditions. It is this very tradition of tolerance that is being threatened now as much by naive apologists as it is by Muslims who have no intention of going to fight for IS. They are as money mad as some atheists and have no problem treading on whoever they feel like to get there way. This is not a problem isolated to some far off land or some small percentage of what you perceive to be a tolerant religion. It is actually time to take a step back as a country before we become tainted by other peoples intolerance. We are in danger of throwing away the real valuable principles of the past by being over eager to accommodate those who have no respect for what it means to be British.