David Haines beheading: David Cameron says Britain will hunt down Isis 'monsters'

[Dia bando]

These people are not cowards. You do not go to war voluntarily if you are a coward.

There is a need to support those fighting IS, also to win over the general population, so the likes of IS are broken up permanently. This is not going to be easy, IS is a cruel but clever opponent, and we sadly are going to see more scenes like this.

For our part we should not alienate or demonize the whole of the British Muslim community. If we do, guess what? Some will fall under the spell of IS, and go and fight for them. And this will lead to more terrible acts.

Anti Muslim propaganda just makes IS's task easier and the Allies' harder.

Being Liberal has done no good what so ever, hard line stance must be taken we have allowed
Fundamentalist to preach hate, why because we are fucking stupid and treated them as decent
human beings, which they are not. The Muslim community only have themselves to blame, in
not speaking out of the atrocity's carried out by some of there own, as for alienating them they
do that themselves in not coming out and publicly condoning Fundamentalists.
They now live in Britain remember tolerance, is not a one way street we give a lot, but I am afraid our tolerance is running out, the death penalty back for members IS's and lets just hang them.

[Gandalf]

My point always goes back to a) who funded? and b) who armed Isis? c) who trained?

If we are serious, then Obama and Cameron need to step down first.

[Britkid]

These people are not cowards. You do not go to war voluntarily if you are a coward.

There is a need to support those fighting IS, also to win over the general population, so the likes of IS are broken up permanently. This is not going to be easy, IS is a cruel but clever opponent, and we sadly are going to see more scenes like this.

For our part we should not alienate or demonize the whole of the British Muslim community. If we do, guess what? Some will fall under the spell of IS, and go and fight for them. And this will lead to more terrible acts.

Anti Muslim propaganda just makes IS's task easier and the Allies' harder.

Being Liberal has done no good what so ever, hard line stance must be taken we have allowed
Fundamentalist to preach hate, why because we are fucking stupid and treated them as decent
human beings, which they are not. The Muslim community only have themselves to blame, in
not speaking out of the atrocity's carried out by some of there own, as for alienating them they
do that themselves in not coming out and publicly condoning Fundamentalists.
They now live in Britain remember tolerance, is not a one way street we give a lot, but I am afraid our tolerance is running out, the death penalty back for members IS's and lets just hang them.

So what you are suggesting is we need a British Caliphate. Our own Caliph can rule over us, ridding us 300+ years of the tolerant and liberal standards of the UK. We can then experience the 'security' of knowing our State can do with us as they wish with no trial or as you suggest tolerance. You go on the wrong website, you lose a hand; you go out with the wrong friend you lose your head...

[Beanz]

These people are not cowards. You do not go to war voluntarily if you are a coward.

There is a need to support those fighting IS, also to win over the general population, so the likes of IS are broken up permanently. This is not going to be easy, IS is a cruel but clever opponent, and we sadly are going to see more scenes like this.

For our part we should not alienate or demonize the whole of the British Muslim community. If we do, guess what? Some will fall under the spell of IS, and go and fight for them. And this will lead to more terrible acts.

Anti Muslim propaganda just makes IS's task easier and the Allies' harder.

Being Liberal has done no good what so ever, hard line stance must be taken we have allowed
Fundamentalist to preach hate, why because we are fucking stupid and treated them as decent
human beings, which they are not. The Muslim community only have themselves to blame, in
not speaking out of the atrocity's carried out by some of there own, as for alienating them they
do that themselves in not coming out and publicly condoning Fundamentalists.
They now live in Britain remember tolerance, is not a one way street we give a lot, but I am afraid our tolerance is running out, the death penalty back for members IS's and lets just hang them.

So what you are suggesting is we need a British Caliphate. Our own Caliph can rule over us, ridding us 300+ years of the tolerant and liberal standards of the UK. We can then experience the 'security' of knowing our State can do with us as they wish with no trial or as you suggest tolerance. You go on the wrong website, you lose a hand; you go out with the wrong friend you lose your head...

That is a gross misrepresentation of what Dia said. Removing hands and heads is something you have added to justify your own uncomfortable reaction to an opinion that does not chime with what you think is the answer. The kind of Islam presided over in this country originates in Saudi Arabia and is not I am afraid to inform you rooted in tolerance. It has no concept of personal responsibility and morality and is tainted by the idea that shame is only what you feel in the context of the community, as in what other muslims think of you. Guilt is not personal so is it any wonder what the extreme fundamental expression of this becomes ? Those partaking in such heinous acts wish to belong to a society that we as British citizens want no part of. You may be an atheist but you have grown up in a Christian country and they are not playing by your rules. It is OK to lie to you to pacify you. That may sound prejudiced and biased to you but it is the truth. The freedoms you hold dear will fast disappear if you think that intolerance is just a symptom of some small disenfranchised minority within British Muslims.

[Britkid]

That is a gross misrepresentation of what Dia said. Removing hands and heads is something you have added to justify your own uncomfortable reaction to an opinion that does not chime with what you think is the answer. The kind of Islam presided over in this country originates in Saudi Arabia and is not I am afraid to inform you rooted in tolerance. It has no concept of personal responsibility and morality and is tainted by the idea that shame is only what you feel in the context of the community, as in what other muslims think of you. Guilt is not personal so is it any wonder what the extreme fundamental expression of this becomes ? Those partaking in such heinous acts wish to belong to a society that we as British citizens want no part of. You may be an atheist but you have grown up in a Christian country and they are not playing by your rules. It is OK to lie to you to pacify you. That may sound prejudiced and biased to you but it is the truth. The freedoms you hold dear will fast disappear if you think that intolerance is just a symptom of some small disenfranchised minority within British Muslims.

The reason this country works is because although considered a Christian country, our real religion is Capitalism. That is a 'religion' that can overpower IS. To become more extreme is what IS want, they want to place their values on us, and the likes of Dia bando make the job of IS that bit easier, if that is really what they believe. The UK is finally becoming a more liberal country, not less. Although occasionally taking the odd backward step, we do realize that social tolerance benefits the majority, and the extremes of society is not the way to go.

Although you are entitled to your opinion, the evidence is less than .01% of the British Muslim population has gone to fight in Iraq and Syria, that is a very 'small disenfranchised minority'. A lot more people went to fight in the Spanish Civil War, but this did not lead to an increase in Communism and Anarchism in the UK. There is no need to take a step back as a Country, the Government already has the 'tools' to deal with this, if they need more there is time to get agreement in Parliament.

[Dia bando]

That is a gross misrepresentation of what Dia said. Removing hands and heads is something you have added to justify your own uncomfortable reaction to an opinion that does not chime with what you think is the answer. The kind of Islam presided over in this country originates in Saudi Arabia and is not I am afraid to inform you rooted in tolerance. It has no concept of personal responsibility and morality and is tainted by the idea that shame is only what you feel in the context of the community, as in what other muslims think of you. Guilt is not personal so is it any wonder what the extreme fundamental expression of this becomes ? Those partaking in such heinous acts wish to belong to a society that we as British citizens want no part of. You may be an atheist but you have grown up in a Christian country and they are not playing by your rules. It is OK to lie to you to pacify you. That may sound prejudiced and biased to you but it is the truth. The freedoms you hold dear will fast disappear if you think that intolerance is just a symptom of some small disenfranchised minority within British Muslims.

The reason this country works is because although considered a Christian country, our real religion is Capitalism. That is a 'religion' that can overpower IS. To become more extreme is what IS want, they want to place their values on us, and the likes of Dia bando make the job of IS that bit easier, if that is really what they believe. The UK is finally becoming a more liberal country, not less. Although occasionally taking the odd backward step, we do realize that social tolerance benefits the majority, and the extremes of society is not the way to go.

Although you are entitled to your opinion, the evidence is less than .01% of the British Muslim population has gone to fight in Iraq and Syria, that is a very 'small disenfranchised minority'. A lot more people went to fight in the Spanish Civil War, but this did not lead to an increase in Communism and Anarchism in the UK. There is no need to take a step back as a Country, the Government already has the 'tools' to deal with this, if they need more there is time to get agreement in Parliament.

This is not the Spanish civil war, a guy from our village fought in that war and the WW2, they made
a film about him Tom Spain, there were two factions in Spain in the Middle East there are more factions than 2, by the way YOU NEVER ANSWERED my question , would you fight to defend your family or duck behind the 3 piece sweet.

[El Kabong]

A) How do you know the beheader is a Londoner?

B ) ISIS got their arms from the allied forces miles because Obama pulled the troops out leaving a VOID which ISIS has filled.

C) Obama wanted so badly to be President Peace Prize, but War isn't an easy venture, you can't half ass a war and that's exactly what America has done because it apparently isn't kosher to use 100% of the force America has on people who don't stand a chance against us. And yes that makes no fucking sense what so ever.

America fighting a war these days is like a Prime Mike Tyson being told "You're only allowed to win by UD".....we need to and should have already unleashed pure Biblical Hell on these motherfucks and collapsed this idea of caliphates as soon as it sprung up!

[Britkid]

This is not the Spanish civil war, a guy from our village fought in that war and the WW2, they made
a film about him Tom Spain, there were two factions in Spain in the Middle East there are more factions than 2, by the way YOU NEVER ANSWERED my question , would you fight to defend your family or duck behind the 3 piece sweet.

I would say the Spanish Civil War is a fair example. With every extreme from Fascist to Anarchist involved in the fight.

But anyway back to your final point, the answer is to gain the trust of the local population. We have tried fighting for the last decade or so, that does not seem to have worked, so maybe showing the benefits of the Capitalist system (a stable life, with minimal risk of being blown up by extremists) is the way to go. That seems to me the best way to deal with the problem and keep my family safe.

[El Kabong]

This is not the Spanish civil war, a guy from our village fought in that war and the WW2, they made
a film about him Tom Spain, there were two factions in Spain in the Middle East there are more factions than 2, by the way YOU NEVER ANSWERED my question , would you fight to defend your family or duck behind the 3 piece sweet.

I would say the Spanish Civil War is a fair example. With every extreme from Fascist to Anarchist involved in the fight.

But anyway back to your final point, the answer is to gain the trust of the local population. We have tried fighting for the last decade or so, that does not seem to have worked, so maybe showing the benefits of the Capitalist system (a stable life, with minimal risk of being blown up by extremists) is the way to go. That seems to me the best way to deal with the problem and keep my family safe.

The Spanish Civil War was Fascism vs Communism plain and simple. Fucking anarchists from the States tried to help out the Commies there....I've seen the documentaries about the Lincoln Brigade. Want to know why the Commies lost that one? Look no further than to the attitude of the Lincoln Brigade. Same shit for brains idealists that want fast food workers to be paid $15 an hour, same bastards inciting riots in Ferguson, MO. 2,800 volunteers.....2,800 spoiled little shits trying to spread the slime of communism and socialism across the world.

The best way to deal with the Middle East is to either conquer them or isolate them. They won't leave us alone regardless of our buying their oil and providing them with plenty of money so I guess we'll just have to fight the violence they bring to us with more violence....a lot more.

[Dia bando]

This is not the Spanish civil war, a guy from our village fought in that war and the WW2, they made
a film about him Tom Spain, there were two factions in Spain in the Middle East there are more factions than 2, by the way YOU NEVER ANSWERED my question , would you fight to defend your family or duck behind the 3 piece sweet.

I would say the Spanish Civil War is a fair example. With every extreme from Fascist to Anarchist involved in the fight.

But anyway back to your final point, the answer is to gain the trust of the local population. We have tried fighting for the last decade or so, that does not seem to have worked, so maybe showing the benefits of the Capitalist system (a stable life, with minimal risk of being blown up by extremists) is the way to go. That seems to me the best way to deal with the problem and keep my family safe.

Capitalism may work for us but will it work for them,! remember our way of life suits us, a different
culture very much different values. So we bribe them to leave us alone,! and hope that they have
us by the bollocks that they don't twist to hard.
Again papering over the cracks, yes mate lovely wall paper but the wall is falling down, I am not
sure money will make things better. There is a lot of rebuilding to be done, and not houses hatred
run's deep, when family's , villages etc have been wiped out.
Sorry but it's human nature, for people to want revenge and can you blame them, us lot in the west
can not comprehend there suffering can we.

[Beanz]

That is a gross misrepresentation of what Dia said. Removing hands and heads is something you have added to justify your own uncomfortable reaction to an opinion that does not chime with what you think is the answer. The kind of Islam presided over in this country originates in Saudi Arabia and is not I am afraid to inform you rooted in tolerance. It has no concept of personal responsibility and morality and is tainted by the idea that shame is only what you feel in the context of the community, as in what other muslims think of you. Guilt is not personal so is it any wonder what the extreme fundamental expression of this becomes ? Those partaking in such heinous acts wish to belong to a society that we as British citizens want no part of. You may be an atheist but you have grown up in a Christian country and they are not playing by your rules. It is OK to lie to you to pacify you. That may sound prejudiced and biased to you but it is the truth. The freedoms you hold dear will fast disappear if you think that intolerance is just a symptom of some small disenfranchised minority within British Muslims.

The reason this country works is because although considered a Christian country, our real religion is Capitalism. That is a 'religion' that can overpower IS. To become more extreme is what IS want, they want to place their values on us, and the likes of Dia bando make the job of IS that bit easier, if that is really what they believe. The UK is finally becoming a more liberal country, not less. Although occasionally taking the odd backward step, we do realize that social tolerance benefits the majority, and the extremes of society is not the way to go.

Although you are entitled to your opinion, the evidence is less than .01% of the British Muslim population has gone to fight in Iraq and Syria, that is a very 'small disenfranchised minority'. A lot more people went to fight in the Spanish Civil War, but this did not lead to an increase in Communism and Anarchism in the UK. There is no need to take a step back as a Country, the Government already has the 'tools' to deal with this, if they need more there is time to get agreement in Parliament.

With all due respect this is not just my opinion garnered by looking at religion as an outsider and drawing conclusions from a limited base of knowledge and experience. I do not know if that is what you are suggesting but I suspect that is what you mean and that you truly believe that your religion of capitalism will hold the keys to overpower IS. In this way you are not so very different from Lyle. Lyle is honest and clever enough though to realise that reason will not work when dealing with religious bigots/zealots/fools.

I am not a subscriber to the same belief system and have seen that the elevation of unrestrained money driven capital has in this country led to an erosion of moral principles and useful , meaningful traditions. It is this very tradition of tolerance that is being threatened now as much by naive apologists as it is by Muslims who have no intention of going to fight for IS. They are as money mad as some atheists and have no problem treading on whoever they feel like to get there way. This is not a problem isolated to some far off land or some small percentage of what you perceive to be a tolerant religion. It is actually time to take a step back as a country before we become tainted by other peoples intolerance. We are in danger of throwing away the real valuable principles of the past by being over eager to accommodate those who have no respect for what it means to be British.

[Dia bando]

That is a gross misrepresentation of what Dia said. Removing hands and heads is something you have added to justify your own uncomfortable reaction to an opinion that does not chime with what you think is the answer. The kind of Islam presided over in this country originates in Saudi Arabia and is not I am afraid to inform you rooted in tolerance. It has no concept of personal responsibility and morality and is tainted by the idea that shame is only what you feel in the context of the community, as in what other muslims think of you. Guilt is not personal so is it any wonder what the extreme fundamental expression of this becomes ? Those partaking in such heinous acts wish to belong to a society that we as British citizens want no part of. You may be an atheist but you have grown up in a Christian country and they are not playing by your rules. It is OK to lie to you to pacify you. That may sound prejudiced and biased to you but it is the truth. The freedoms you hold dear will fast disappear if you think that intolerance is just a symptom of some small disenfranchised minority within British Muslims.

The reason this country works is because although considered a Christian country, our real religion is Capitalism. That is a 'religion' that can overpower IS. To become more extreme is what IS want, they want to place their values on us, and the likes of Dia bando make the job of IS that bit easier, if that is really what they believe. The UK is finally becoming a more liberal country, not less. Although occasionally taking the odd backward step, we do realize that social tolerance benefits the majority, and the extremes of society is not the way to go.

Although you are entitled to your opinion, the evidence is less than .01% of the British Muslim population has gone to fight in Iraq and Syria, that is a very 'small disenfranchised minority'. A lot more people went to fight in the Spanish Civil War, but this did not lead to an increase in Communism and Anarchism in the UK. There is no need to take a step back as a Country, the Government already has the 'tools' to deal with this, if they need more there is time to get agreement in Parliament.

With all due respect this is not just my opinion garnered by looking at religion as an outsider and drawing conclusions from a limited base of knowledge and experience. I do not know if that is what you are suggesting but I suspect that is what you mean and that you truly believe that your religion of capitalism will hold the keys to overpower IS. In this way you are not so very different from Lyle. Lyle is honest and clever enough though to realise that reason will not work when dealing with religious bigots/zealots/fools.

I am not a subscriber to the same belief system and have seen that the elevation of unrestrained money driven capital has in this country led to an erosion of moral principles and useful , meaningful traditions. It is this very tradition of tolerance that is being threatened now as much by naive apologists as it is by Muslims who have no intention of going to fight for IS. They are as money mad as some atheists and have no problem treading on whoever they feel like to get there way. This is not a problem isolated to some far off land or some small percentage of what you perceive to be a tolerant religion. It is actually time to take a step back as a country before we become tainted by other peoples intolerance. We are in danger of throwing away the real valuable principles of the past by being over eager to accommodate those who have no respect for what it means to be British.

Beanz I find the beheading of people truly horrific, this is totally unacceptable in our society but
we must say so out loud and not whisper, if this upsets people they are living in the wrong Country,
most immigrants integrate, but some alienate themselves and never truly integrate.
I have Muslim friends they ARE GOOD PEOPLE and would give you the shirt off there back, but they
have integrated into our society.
As I have said in the past I having nothing against Religion, just some of the fuckers that preach it,
as you no mate I am a bush Baptist.

[ryanman]

@denilson200

I would like to know which, in your opinion, anti-american grievances IS were acting out when they began killing Shia Muslims in Syria, and then in Northern Iraq and then beseiged the Yazidi people?

It seems to me you are just using the well worn line of 'its all about american foreign policy' and applying it to a situation in which it is absolutely not the cause.

Plus even if it were in this case (which it isn't), in what world is the beheading of journalists and aid workers the logical result of grievances with a government? It would not be the logical conclusion of anybody I would recognize as human.

[Dia bando]

Yes Chaps a interesting debate, and I read all the threads remember theses are views, and I feel
we may disagree on some point, but we all remain friends.

[Dia bando]

These people are not cowards. You do not go to war voluntarily if you are a coward.

There is a need to support those fighting IS, also to win over the general population, so the likes of IS are broken up permanently. This is not going to be easy, IS is a cruel but clever opponent, and we sadly are going to see more scenes like this.

For our part we should not alienate or demonize the whole of the British Muslim community. If we do, guess what? Some will fall under the spell of IS, and go and fight for them. And this will lead to more terrible acts.

Anti Muslim propaganda just makes IS's task easier and the Allies' harder.

Being Liberal has done no good what so ever, hard line stance must be taken we have allowed
Fundamentalist to preach hate, why because we are fucking stupid and treated them as decent
human beings, which they are not. The Muslim community only have themselves to blame, in
not speaking out of the atrocity's carried out by some of there own, as for alienating them they
do that themselves in not coming out and publicly condoning Fundamentalists.
They now live in Britain remember tolerance, is not a one way street we give a lot, but I am afraid our tolerance is running out, the death penalty back for members IS's and lets just hang them.

So what you are suggesting is we need a British Caliphate. Our own Caliph can rule over us, ridding us 300+ years of the tolerant and liberal standards of the UK. We can then experience the 'security' of knowing our State can do with us as they wish with no trial or as you suggest tolerance. You go on the wrong website, you lose a hand; you go out with the wrong friend you lose your head...

Spoken like a true Liberal and look ruled by a small number of don't say nothing bad, about anybody,
fucking idiots, If somebody behead your family peace love and tolerance my ass, it goes out the
window my friend, THE TRUTH HURTS, our 300 years of tolerant and liberal standards have bit us
on the ass. I really don't have to tolerate Fundamentalists or show them any respect, they are SCUM
the liberals of this World, are living in LA' LA' LAND, what shall we do welcome them home with tea and biscuits. Remember waving a white flag to theses people, is really stupid my father fought for
US and many other fathers and sons, gave blood and lives not to put up, with this crap my old man
would be rolling in his grave.
May I ask could you fight to save your family, or wave the white flag to a enemy that would show no
mercy or tolerance, just butcher you in living colour.?