Floyd, Manny, Hop, Roy legacy

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Floyd: Undefeated, multi-weight champion who has reigned as P4P #1 for years. He has defeated solid competition in guys like Diego Corrales, Jose Luis Castillo, Canelo Alvarez, Miguel Cotto, Oscar, and Ricky Hatton. His signature win, in my opinion, was his domination of #3 P4P (at the time of the fight) Chico Corrales. Floyd used angles, beautiful combinations and a debilitating jab to the body to completely outclass a dominant fighter who had been blowing out top competition for years. The knock against Floyd is that at times his style is less than exciting, many of the biggest names he fought were past their best (Oscar, Shane, Cotto...etc.) and that he missed some of his biggest/best opportunities (Kostya, prime Shane, Frietas, Casamayor...etc.), most notably the superfight with Manny.

You say Floyd never fought Kostya, prime Shane, Frietas or Casamayor.

But he fought Shane AFTER Shane was coming off arguably his biggest win were he destroyed Antonio Margarito.

Remember AT THAT TIME Margarito was seen as a monster because he previously beaten the previously unbeaten Cotto.

Mayweather fought and beat the BEST Mosely

Yes. Mayweather never fought Kostya Tszyu but Mayweather beat the guy that punched Tszyu into retirement (Ricky Hattion) who AT THE TIME when Hatton fought Mayweather, Hatton was undefeated and at the VERY TOP of his game.

Yes. Mayweather never fought Joel Casamayor but he has beaten the guys that have beaten Casamayor (Robert Guerrero, J.M.Marquez and Luis Castillo)

Yes. Mayweather never fought Acelino Freitas but Mayweather beat Diego Corrales and Corrales went on to beat Acelino Freitas.

How can you say Miguel Cotto was "past his prime" when he fought Mayweather in 2012 ? When a few months back Cotto destroyed the fighter who was renowed as the best middleweight in the world - Sergio Martinez ?

How can you say Oscar was past his "past his prime" when he was only 34 at the time and in my opinion had only lost once to Hopkins (I believe like many that he beat Trinidad and won both fights against Mosley)

Dude. All roads lead to Maywether. He is the greatest fighter in our era.

There are only two fighters in the world today who I think would stand a chance of beating Mayweather.

Guillermo Rigondeaux and Andre Ward.

And I don't think they would win, but they would have a chance.

Every other fighter would have two chances, slim and none........and slim left town.

Manny: 8 division titlist and multi-weight champ who energized the sport with his all offense style and has beaten arguably the toughest competition of the four mentioned. While Manny has suffered a few draws and losses, many argue that is due to his always seeking out the toughest challengers available. Hard to argue with a guy who started at flyweight and took on the toughest available competition up to jr. middleweight. Some of the names on Manny's outstanding resume are: Barrera, Marquez, Morales, Bradley, Hatton, Cotto, Ledwaba, Mosely, and Oscar, many of were much larger and stopped in fantastic fashion. Manny's signature win would have to be his first win against Barrera, who was coming off the Hamed win, revitalized and ranked #3 P4P at the time. Manny completely savaged him and stopped him in impressive fashion. The knock against Manny is that some of the names on his resume (Oscar, Shane, Margarito...etc.) were past their best, he lost and drew during his prime (JMM and Morales) and never was able to face his greatest rival Floyd Mayweather.

Manny beat Hatton AFTER Mayweather had beaten Hatton.
Manny beat Oscar AFTER Mayweather had beaten Oscar.
Manny got knocked out by Marquez AFTER Mayweather had beaten Marquez.

Manny was beaten by Bradley in the first fight (Yes, yes I thought that was a bad decision) but he hardly ran Bradley out of the ring second time around.

Manny has fought JMM 4 times. Ist time a draw, second time an SD for Manny, third time a very dodgy decision for Manny and in the fourth fight, Manny nearly got his head decapitated by JMM

Yet JMM barely wins a round aganist Mayweather.

He has a lost against Morales and two KO losses early in his career.

Look - I’m not saying Pac-Man is not a great fighter.

He is.

But you can’t sit there with a straight face and put Manny above Mayweather, that is insane and it will be shown how insane it is, should they face up next year when Floyd will not even lose a round to Manny

But I'm sure you will trot out the usual "Manny was past his prime" line.

To be honest until Floyd fights and beats Wladimir Klitschko with one arm tied behind his back will people give him credit.

My list is :

1) Floyd
2) Hop
3) Roy
4) Manny