David Haines beheading: David Cameron says Britain will hunt down Isis 'monsters'

[ryanman]

@denilson200

I would like to know which, in your opinion, anti-american grievances IS were acting out when they began killing Shia Muslims in Syria, and then in Northern Iraq and then beseiged the Yazidi people?

It seems to me you are just using the well worn line of 'its all about american foreign policy' and applying it to a situation in which it is absolutely not the cause.

Plus even if it were in this case (which it isn't), in what world is the beheading of journalists and aid workers the logical result of grievances with a government? It would not be the logical conclusion of anybody I would recognize as human.

[Dia bando]

Yes Chaps a interesting debate, and I read all the threads remember theses are views, and I feel
we may disagree on some point, but we all remain friends.

[ryanman]

Yes Chaps a interesting debate, and I read all the threads remember theses are views, and I feel
we may disagree on some point, but we all remain friends.

Well, for the most part.

[Dark Lord Al]

Yes Chaps a interesting debate, and I read all the threads remember theses are views, and I feel
we may disagree on some point, but we all remain friends.

Well, for the most part.

Indeed

[Gandalf]

There are only 30,000 members of Isis. 30,000. Yet somehow they have taken half of Syria, swathes of Iraq, have mainly US equipment, and have billions of dollars. Is it really so difficult to get behind all the stylish black uniforms and the orange prison gear for prisoners, to see that it is all too well orchestrated and wonderfully reported by the media and politicians? It's absurd and almost comical.

This didn't appear out of thin air. I am nobody, but even I watched the convoys rolling in single file and they didn't emerge from a black hole. They really didn't. With 30,000 members and billions of dollars, I am surprised everyone isn't signing up. It probably beats minimum wage, unaffordable housing, and food banks. But of course, terrorism only ever emerges from a vacuum and one must never look too closely at the self. Now if you are committing war crimes, then you deserve to pay the price, but we have seen a lot of people carrying out war crimes in recent times and there are no penalties.

The West has collapsed economically and morally and it is an all too convenient ploy to get Syria (always the intention) and to get back Iraq (after being given the boot). It is so blatant and in your face. The shock videos are like the Rigby false flag, and are intended to rile people up, and thus it is perfectly justified to distract from economic hell at home and drum up support for the globalist plans.

Who goes to a war zone to help people when there are people waiting in line at food banks and homeless people all around? 'Oh, but I must feed the starving in Africa!'. It's a noble cause, but seems odd and reckless to me. What journalist passively reads a script and then let's his head get cut off with no resistance whatsoever and furthermore can have half a severed head with NO BLOOD! So, so, questionable.

I keep repeating this, but there are only 30,000 members of this group in the region and I repeat a) Where did the money come from? b) Where did the weapons come from? for variation c) Where do the uniforms and costumes come from? and d) Isn't Cameron a monster? oh one more e) why is Isis sissy backwards? It's like God and dog, it is incredibly unflattering.

[Gandalf]

Can you imagine 30,000 people controlling the UK? It wouldn't make any logistical sense. It would be something akin to 10 people occupying each town and city. By contrast the UK has somewhere around 130,000 police officers. The police are useless now, but imagine if you cut them to a quarter and asked them to maintain control. You sense that the country would fall to the masses. People are being asked to suspend a lot of reality with the Middle East. The 100,000 Yazidi turned out to be only a fraction of the number.

[son of bonters]

There are only 30,000 members of Isis.

How do you know? Is there a membership list somewhere? ffs

[Dark Lord Al]

There are only 30,000 members of Isis.

How do you know? Is there a membership list somewhere? ffs

He got the fact from his usual source , the boys book of knowledge.

[Gandalf]

There are only 30,000 members of Isis.

How do you know? Is there a membership list somewhere? ffs

He got the fact from his usual source , the boys book of knowledge.

Aye. 'The scouts chronicle of the 21st century Middle East' is full of such factoids. 30,000 is only an estimate from a very questionable mainstream media, but short of going out there to count them myself, it seems the most reasonable. I've seen estimates from a few thousand to hundreds of thousand, but if the numbers are so low, then they couldn't maintain the region, but if the numbers are so high, you have to question who the heck is arming them all. Regardless of numbers, I don't own a gun and would struggle to buy one, and yet these people have dollars and made in America weapons. Now, I know that Americans can be armed (good thing too), but even the average American doesn't have a rocket launcher or a machine gun. The Iraqi army just gave them everything? So where did the weapons come from to even invade Iraq? It's predictable.

Saudi Arabia chops off a lot of heads too and yet nobody batters an eyelid about them. I am not defending terrible crimes, but I've yet to see anything beyond a scene from a 1980's slasher film. If you are going to chop off a head, you would resist, and go down in a gurgling, spewing, bloody mess. We haven't seen any of this. The ending of Raiders of the Lost Ark was far more graphic and traumatising.

Edit: If we want to help the Middle East we should put Blair in the Hague and stop arming people. We should give them compensation for an illegal invasion and say sorry, a massive sorry by putting people in prison. The elite themselves. People are not born monsters, they grow into monsters from trauma and abuse. Our behaviour has fed this disease and you can never right a wrong with more wrong. Until we face up to our past and lock away our demons, then we are the real monsters. Our elite has no concern about people and never has.

Edit 2: The entire thing pisses me off. How dare we not hold anybody to account for invading Iraq or Afghanistan or bombing Libya? How dare we allow these monsters to walk free and to create Isis? How dare we sensationalise with videos that don't even look real? This is how WW1 started and Michael fucking Portillo is dancing about with a pink shirt on my TV! It's disgusting! And Putin is satan? Are we serious? We destroyed Iraq and Putin is the second coming of Hitler? What a screwed up world this is.

[Fenster]

A simple answer when Amir Khan, is asked what he is what does he say I am a Muslim he never
says he's British, a Muslim first, when I am asked I am a British or Welsh I never say I am a
Methodist or Baptist the truth my friends weather we like it or not.

So the question is - what are you? If I was religous (sick in mouth) I would probably answer with my faith too. See if someone asked me the question i'd say human (well, actually i'd say "a massive cunt")

Now if someone asked a British person - are you British? And they said no I am (enter faith) that would be mental.

Just an observation.

[smashup]

Wonder if this new unit "Task Force Black" is over their yet ... the new unit that is not being kept so secret

SAS and US special forces forming hunter killer unit to 'smash Islamic State' - Mirror Online

[ryanman]

Wonder if this new unit "Task Force Black" is over their yet ... the new unit that is not being kept so secret

SAS and US special forces forming hunter killer unit to 'smash Islamic State' - Mirror Online

Keep it down! They'll hear you!

[Dia bando]

A simple answer when Amir Khan, is asked what he is what does he say I am a Muslim he never
says he's British, a Muslim first, when I am asked I am a British or Welsh I never say I am a
Methodist or Baptist the truth my friends weather we like it or not.

So the question is - what are you? If I was religous (sick in mouth) I would probably answer with my faith too. See if someone asked me the question i'd say human (well, actually i'd say "a massive cunt")

Now if someone asked a British person - are you British? And they said no I am (enter faith) that would be mental.

Just an observation.

He does state he is a Muslim, faith first I can under stand you saying cunt, I was thinking twat myself.

[Master]

Real muslims have come out and are against these terrorist actions. It is a mindless minority that receive the attention because of their extreme actions.

[ryanman]

A simple answer when Amir Khan, is asked what he is what does he say I am a Muslim he never
says he's British, a Muslim first, when I am asked I am a British or Welsh I never say I am a
Methodist or Baptist the truth my friends weather we like it or not.

So the question is - what are you? If I was religous (sick in mouth) I would probably answer with my faith too. See if someone asked me the question i'd say human (well, actually i'd say "a massive cunt")

Now if someone asked a British person - are you British? And they said no I am (enter faith) that would be mental.

Just an observation.

He does state he is a Muslim, faith first I can under stand you saying cunt, I was thinking twat myself.

Fenster is saying that if he was asked 'are you British?' he would say yes. Or he'd be mental.