Who is the next boxing superstar?

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BS.... Tyson for Holmes's left overs to a large degree, but Holmes's leftovers weren't slouches. Many of them went on to hold titles or be seriously dangerous contenders.

Tyson also had really tough guys that went on to long careers- wasn't until Bowe and Holyfield came along, most notably Bowe, who separated what a real HW champion should be and be dominant at it.

Bowe should have never fought Holyfield the second time around, now looking back at it.

Guys BOTH Holmes and Tyson fought: Holyfield, Michael Spinks, Carl Williams, James 'Bonecrusher' Smith, Marvis Frazier, and Trevor Berbick. That's it and to be honest Holmes did better vs Holyfield and better vs Smith which can't be argued.

Tyson did NOT fight other guys that gave Holmes a hard time: Snipes, Witherspoon, Shavers, Norton either because they retired, drugs ruined their careers, or they never recaptured their form which earned them the shots vs Holmes but the point is Mike Tyson didn't have a great era of difficult fighters and when real fighters entered his division they took over.

Bowe's career peaked and plummeted while Tyson was in prison now had Tyson actually fought him what would have happened? We can speculate but the fight never happened. Look at the records of Holyfield and Lewis and see the names they fought which Tyson chose not to fight or just avoided for some reason. He could have had a lot more interesting than oh Tyson vs: Orlin Norris, Julius Francis, Lou Savarese, Brian Nielsen.

After prison, after Holyfield, Mike Tyson never tried to be "the baddest man on the planet" in terms of boxing ability. He was a sideshow, an act, and though semi-successful at boxing while doing that he never really took on a true test other than Ruddock, Holyfield, and Lewis after losing to Douglas.

You mean other than obliterating Spinks?

Forgot about him didnt you



Its painful to read Tyson bashing when putting comparisons out there. When would lewis have been to much for a prime Tyson? When he struggled against Mercer who Holmes best comfortably? Got knocked out by Mikes sparring partner? Got knocked out by Rahman?

This is the thing, both Holyfield and Lewis never had a long consistent dominant period where they didn't have some kind of problem with some kind of opponent that a fighter as quick and dangerous as that Mike Tyson wouldn't have been able to capitalise on. The man that beat Holmes twice couldn't even get out of the first round with Mike. An older Holmes beat Mercer, pushed Holyfield and was robbed against McCall but he couldn't get to the half way point with that Mike.