If Floyd never fights Manny...

[Rantcatrat]

I don't think Floyd will get his just due until long after he retires because he's a hard guy to talk about objectively. Which is understandable, because he is a clear douche bag, but I never understood how a boxing fan can't appreciate Floyd the boxer, because like him or hate him he's the kind of athlete that comes to a sport once every 25-50 years, if ever.

Haters will always find excuse after excuse as to why a guy who's gone 18 years and counting without a loss (16 of those fought at a world championship level) is a bum, a fraud, doesn't deserve to be a boxing great, ect. It really is just silly to hear the stuff people come up with. I think future generations of boxing fans will have more appreciation, because all the drama will be gone and they'll just have the actual art to judge him on. And if you're talking the art of boxing, and you know the art of boxing, Floyd Mayweather is at least top 5 all time and has a serious case for #1.

Seriously? He's the top boxer in the world and he's making $32 million per fight. How is he not getting his just due right now? He hasn't even retired and people are putting him in their top 50 of all-time. You say he is the best of all time. If he isn't getting his just due, I'm not sure what just due is frankly.

[mikeeod]

I don't think Floyd will get his just due until long after he retires because he's a hard guy to talk about objectively. Which is understandable, because he is a clear douche bag, but I never understood how a boxing fan can't appreciate Floyd the boxer, because like him or hate him he's the kind of athlete that comes to a sport once every 25-50 years, if ever.

Haters will always find excuse after excuse as to why a guy who's gone 18 years and counting without a loss (16 of those fought at a world championship level) is a bum, a fraud, doesn't deserve to be a boxing great, ect. It really is just silly to hear the stuff people come up with. I think future generations of boxing fans will have more appreciation, because all the drama will be gone and they'll just have the actual art to judge him on. And if you're talking the art of boxing, and you know the art of boxing, Floyd Mayweather is at least top 5 all time and has a serious case for #1.

Seriously? He's the top boxer in the world and he's making $32 million per fight. How is he not getting his just due right now? He hasn't even retired and people are putting him in their top 50 of all-time. You say he is the best of all time. If he isn't getting his just due, I'm not sure what just due is frankly.

My thoughts exactly. I give him his just due, as do most fans. The issue is when the Floyd lovers get hysterical and say he's the greatest ever and just because he didn't fight that great of competition it wasn't his fault and he gets paid a lot so that makes him great and if you don't think he's the greatest then you are a hater and blah, blah, blah. Rocco is a prime example. Lays out a post touting Floyd as the greatest fighter and backs his statement up with business and finance numbers. What a dipshit.

Floyd's an ATG fighter. Floyd has beaten solid competition and hasn't ducked anyone. That being said, Floyd hasn't beaten the competition or faced the competition that Pea, Oscar, Mosely, Tito, Hop... Etc., faced. I don't consider Floyd's competition as bad as Roy Jones Jr.'s, but it isn't on the level of those previously mentioned. For me to consider him TBE, he would've had to beat the Kostyas, Prime Shane, Paul Williams, Prime Mannys...etc., of the world. Before you hungers piss yourself, especially you Rocco, I know Floyd didn't duck them and I think Floyd would've beaten them. I also thought Roy would beat Tarver and Tyson would beat Douglas so Floyd doesn't get credit. From me for what might have been.

[ruthless rocco]

My thoughts exactly. I give him his just due, as do most fans. The issue is when the Floyd lovers get hysterical and say he's the greatest ever and just because he didn't fight that great of competition it wasn't his fault and he gets paid a lot so that makes him great and if you don't think he's the greatest then you are a hater and blah, blah, blah. Rocco is a prime example. Lays out a post touting Floyd as the greatest fighter and backs his statement up with business and finance numbers. What a dipshit.

Floyd's an ATG fighter. Floyd has beaten solid competition and hasn't ducked anyone. That being said, Floyd hasn't beaten the competition or faced the competition that Pea, Oscar, Mosely, Tito, Hop... Etc., faced. I don't consider Floyd's competition as bad as Roy Jones Jr.'s, but it isn't on the level of those previously mentioned. For me to consider him TBE, he would've had to beat the Kostyas, Prime Shane, Paul Williams, Prime Mannys...etc., of the world. Before you hungers piss yourself, especially you Rocco, I know Floyd didn't duck them and I think Floyd would've beaten them. I also thought Roy would beat Tarver and Tyson would beat Douglas so Floyd doesn't get credit. From me for what might have been.

Floyd obviously knows a bit more about being a professional prize fighter than you. The fact that you think boxing is just about fights shows that you're naive.

Who has accomplished more in the sport of boxing than Floyd?

[Beanflicker]

Seriously? He's the top boxer in the world and he's making $32 million per fight. How is he not getting his just due right now? He hasn't even retired and people are putting him in their top 50 of all-time. You say he is the best of all time. If he isn't getting his just due, I'm not sure what just due is frankly.

You know exactly what I mean when I say that. I'm not talking about financial, I'm talking about legacy and credibility. A day doesn't pass on this forum and others where someone isn't making a thread about how Floyd is a coward, a fraud, ect. How his competition has been shit, how everyone was hand picked and fought at the right time, how he pays off refs and judges, whatever.

His craft and accomplishments do not get nearly the credit they deserve, and probably won't until long after he's gone. Guys like me who think he belongs at least in the top 10 of all time are a small minority. There's still a large portion of boxing fans who believe Pac will go down as the greater fighter.