Floyd's competition vs Manny's competition

[Rantcatrat]

What about steroids?

It's a good question for both guys and I think both guys will be haunted by it.

They both left a lot to be desired in that department. First, Manny won't take the test for the fight. Then, Floyd pays Manny more than $3million to settle the lawsuit against Floyd for defamation because he won't give up the results of his previous tests and has a long-standing relationship with one of the biggest testosterone guys in the South and multiple guys in his gym get busted for testosterone.

Frankly, it's sort of like baseball players in the 90's with boxing now in a way. Will we ever know who took what? I doubt it.

[Master]

I think the Manny that beat Margarito at 154lb would have beaten the Oscar that fought Floyd but not the version that beat Vargas.

[imp]

I think the Manny that beat Margarito at 154lb would have beaten the Oscar that fought Floyd but not the version that beat Vargas.

No way!

The big oscar floyd fought would have beat manny and margacheato on the same night!

[Master]

I think the Manny that beat Margarito at 154lb would have beaten the Oscar that fought Floyd but not the version that beat Vargas.

No way!

The big oscar floyd fought would have beat manny and margacheato on the same night!

That Oscar tired badly after 6 rounds which he was winning. Manny would have taken over.

[imp]

I think the Manny that beat Margarito at 154lb would have beaten the Oscar that fought Floyd but not the version that beat Vargas.

No way!

The big oscar floyd fought would have beat manny and margacheato on the same night!

That Oscar tired badly after 6 rounds which he was winning. Manny would have taken over.

There will always be conflict and different opinions.

But what we do know is that oscar was younger and at his weight holding all the cards when floyd beat him.

If we look at the same opponents that floyd and manny have fought...floyd has beaten everyone of them...manny hasnt!

Lets not curve history. Manny has marquez problems. Floyd does not!

Back of the net.

[IamInuit]

Sadly this cant be done on a micro-level. Like in the thread title under a different name, I have never seen this kind of equality on epic ledgers such as this and legacy in the same weight area in quite some time. I have also never seen two others in a similar situation not find a way to fight each other.

Manny fought ATG'S past their prime and arguably lost to Marquez 3 other times. Had weight conditions with others and Oscar should not even be considered. The guy had not made welter in almost 10 years. Rehydrated 2 pounds coming in at 145/147 (at fight time) and looked like he had scurvy and both feet nailed to the floor. Means about as much as Holmes/Ali. Still a remarkable set f prints left in the sport.

Floyd beat many more prime guys and above average fighters in their prime. Still, he seemed content and not going beyond the call of duty like Manny did. But he did dominate. Trouble with Floyd is he fed on the same style of fighter much of the time and always seemed more about money then legacy and got breaks along the way having Cortez in many fights. Extra long time off and probably sat out 5 years of his prime.

Both guys are first ballot and both will have a few asterisks attached at the end of the day and the one in bold will be the fact that they share the blame for never fighting. No way should this fight have escaped history.

[Silkeyjoe]

Comparing Manny and Floyd is like comparing Floyd to fighters from different eras, they just aint gonna fight and we dont really know who would win. Flod is big fav but Ive always maintained speed and movement could cause Floyd to struggle. Thats why I give Khan a great chance against him, a better chance than I would give him of beating Pac.

As for Floyds opposition being much superior to Pacs well if we look at their last 7.

Floyd has Mosly who was well past it, Ortiz who is noy good, Cotto who got obliterated by Pac (easier than Floyd did) Guerrero who again is average, Alavarez (his best opponent) who I again dont rate at that level as I feel he should have lost to Lara and anyone strugling with Trout isnt going to be a match for Floyd and then Maidana twice who in my opinoin was not worthy of a fight with Floyd once let alone twice.

Pac has Margarito nothing special but is as good as Maidana, Mosely shot, Marquez as good as anyone on the floyds list, Bradley twice again as good as anyone on Floyds list and Rios who is just shit.