Floyd's competition vs Manny's competition

[imp]

I think the Manny that beat Margarito at 154lb would have beaten the Oscar that fought Floyd but not the version that beat Vargas.

No way!

The big oscar floyd fought would have beat manny and margacheato on the same night!

[Master]

I think the Manny that beat Margarito at 154lb would have beaten the Oscar that fought Floyd but not the version that beat Vargas.

No way!

The big oscar floyd fought would have beat manny and margacheato on the same night!

That Oscar tired badly after 6 rounds which he was winning. Manny would have taken over.

[imp]

I think the Manny that beat Margarito at 154lb would have beaten the Oscar that fought Floyd but not the version that beat Vargas.

No way!

The big oscar floyd fought would have beat manny and margacheato on the same night!

That Oscar tired badly after 6 rounds which he was winning. Manny would have taken over.

There will always be conflict and different opinions.

But what we do know is that oscar was younger and at his weight holding all the cards when floyd beat him.

If we look at the same opponents that floyd and manny have fought...floyd has beaten everyone of them...manny hasnt!

Lets not curve history. Manny has marquez problems. Floyd does not!

Back of the net.

[IamInuit]

Sadly this cant be done on a micro-level. Like in the thread title under a different name, I have never seen this kind of equality on epic ledgers such as this and legacy in the same weight area in quite some time. I have also never seen two others in a similar situation not find a way to fight each other.

Manny fought ATG'S past their prime and arguably lost to Marquez 3 other times. Had weight conditions with others and Oscar should not even be considered. The guy had not made welter in almost 10 years. Rehydrated 2 pounds coming in at 145/147 (at fight time) and looked like he had scurvy and both feet nailed to the floor. Means about as much as Holmes/Ali. Still a remarkable set f prints left in the sport.

Floyd beat many more prime guys and above average fighters in their prime. Still, he seemed content and not going beyond the call of duty like Manny did. But he did dominate. Trouble with Floyd is he fed on the same style of fighter much of the time and always seemed more about money then legacy and got breaks along the way having Cortez in many fights. Extra long time off and probably sat out 5 years of his prime.

Both guys are first ballot and both will have a few asterisks attached at the end of the day and the one in bold will be the fact that they share the blame for never fighting. No way should this fight have escaped history.

[Silkeyjoe]

Comparing Manny and Floyd is like comparing Floyd to fighters from different eras, they just aint gonna fight and we dont really know who would win. Flod is big fav but Ive always maintained speed and movement could cause Floyd to struggle. Thats why I give Khan a great chance against him, a better chance than I would give him of beating Pac.

As for Floyds opposition being much superior to Pacs well if we look at their last 7.

Floyd has Mosly who was well past it, Ortiz who is noy good, Cotto who got obliterated by Pac (easier than Floyd did) Guerrero who again is average, Alavarez (his best opponent) who I again dont rate at that level as I feel he should have lost to Lara and anyone strugling with Trout isnt going to be a match for Floyd and then Maidana twice who in my opinoin was not worthy of a fight with Floyd once let alone twice.

Pac has Margarito nothing special but is as good as Maidana, Mosely shot, Marquez as good as anyone on the floyds list, Bradley twice again as good as anyone on Floyds list and Rios who is just shit.

[imp]

Comparing Manny and Floyd is like comparing Floyd to fighters from different eras, they just aint gonna fight and we dont really know who would win. Flod is big fav but Ive always maintained speed and movement could cause Floyd to struggle. Thats why I give Khan a great chance against him, a better chance than I would give him of beating Pac.

As for Floyds opposition being much superior to Pacs well if we look at their last 7.

Floyd has Mosly who was well past it, Ortiz who is noy good, Cotto who got obliterated by Pac (easier than Floyd did) Guerrero who again is average, Alavarez (his best opponent) who I again dont rate at that level as I feel he should have lost to Lara and anyone strugling with Trout isnt going to be a match for Floyd and then Maidana twice who in my opinoin was not worthy of a fight with Floyd once let alone twice.

Pac has Margarito nothing special but is as good as Maidana, Mosely shot, Marquez as good as anyone on the floyds list, Bradley twice again as good as anyone on Floyds list and Rios who is just shit.

Mosely just beat the monster margacheato and floyd schooled him.
Manny beat a shot paycheck moseley.

Floyd ko a prime undefeated hatton,
Pac ko a shot defeated hatton.

Ortiz is better than rios
Rios is shit (i agree)

Pac beat a catchweight cotto (good win)
Floyd beat a cotto at his weight.

Maidana would beat margacheato and beats all of pacs opponents bar cotto (possibly)

Canelo would beat all of pacs opponents!
Pac wouldnt even entertain a canelo fight.

This back and forth could go on for ages but no matter how you look at it whether its an inch or a mile..winning is winning...and floyd shines in the above.

Floyd would easily beat marquez and bradley and everyone knows that!!

[walrus]

We can go back and fourth all we want but as fans we should be grateful we were alive in this era to see these guys fighting. In the end I think Manny is a far superior fighter, I know each fighter has a style until themselves but Floyd wouldn't go balls to the wall as Manny always does. Floyd would not fighter a fighter who consistently gives him trouble as JMM did Manny. If so Floyd would have taken on Cotto three months after the first fight. Manny New when he stepped in the ring against JMM it wasn't a gimme but so many if Floyd's fights were gimme. I think his rematch with his last opponent was more to fulfill his contract than to prove anything else. If Floyd gets the W with some controversy when has he ever given a shot about proving things to his fans. Floyd has no fans, only people who give him money. I think Manny has an entire different view on such things. One of our members here @pacfan often talks about how like is in the Philippines and how Manny was selling food on the streets to help his family survive. Someone else said comparing these two fighters is comparing apples and oranges.Tough times for Manny were avoiding starvation, tough times for Floyd were doing time for domestic abuse..

I have much more respect for Manny not only in boxing but in humanity. He is tough in ways that Floyd couldn't experience any longer.

To reiterate, I am glad I'm a boxing fan and have been able to pay overpriced numbers to see Floyd fight, absolutely love to see him do his thing but even more so when it comes to Manny. I always feel I'm seeing something beyond special with Manny. Sure he has some loses, but his record overall is mind blowing especially when you look where he came from. I have been left breathless after seeing Manny land combos like nothing I have seen before. He is beyond great and he doesn't need to tell us every five minutes. Manny v Pac will happen in 2015. I hear Mannys team is looking to steal Biber away from team money. If this does happen Manny v Pac may not happen as Beiber is the only thing keeping Floyd from beginning a full "blown" pedophile. Justin looks long enough where he fulfills Floyd's need for young boys to touch and penetrate but losing him from team money will force Floyd to capture what he really wants, eleven year old boys. Manny is going to rescue Beiber and get him the help he needs. Bahai

[Silkeyjoe]

Comparing Manny and Floyd is like comparing Floyd to fighters from different eras, they just aint gonna fight and we dont really know who would win. Flod is big fav but Ive always maintained speed and movement could cause Floyd to struggle. Thats why I give Khan a great chance against him, a better chance than I would give him of beating Pac.

As for Floyds opposition being much superior to Pacs well if we look at their last 7.

Floyd has Mosly who was well past it, Ortiz who is noy good, Cotto who got obliterated by Pac (easier than Floyd did) Guerrero who again is average, Alavarez (his best opponent) who I again dont rate at that level as I feel he should have lost to Lara and anyone strugling with Trout isnt going to be a match for Floyd and then Maidana twice who in my opinoin was not worthy of a fight with Floyd once let alone twice.

Pac has Margarito nothing special but is as good as Maidana, Mosely shot, Marquez as good as anyone on the floyds list, Bradley twice again as good as anyone on Floyds list and Rios who is just shit.

Mosely just beat the monster margacheato and floyd schooled him.
Manny beat a shot paycheck moseley.

Floyd ko a prime undefeated hatton,
Pac ko a shot defeated hatton.

Ortiz is better than rios
Rios is shit (i agree)

Pac beat a catchweight cotto (good win)
Floyd beat a cotto at his weight.

Maidana would beat margacheato and beats all of pacs opponents bar cotto (possibly)

Canelo would beat all of pacs opponents!
Pac wouldnt even entertain a canelo fight.

This back and forth could go on for ages but no matter how you look at it whether its an inch or a mile..winning is winning...and floyd shines in the above.

Floyd would easily beat marquez and bradley and everyone knows that!!

Ortiz lost to Lopez who is as bad as they come at top level. Rios would beat Ortiz because Ortiz cant box smart and he has no chin. Pac beat Hatton at Hattons proper weight and didnt make him step up to a weight class he wasnt strong in. Canelo wouldnt beat Marquez or Bradley especially if he was weight drained like he was against Floyd. He just isnt that good at all. Maidana couldnt beat Kotelnik or Khan and struggled with a shot Morales. Again he aint coming close to beating Bradley or Marquez. Stop being a twat.