Floyd's competition vs Manny's competition

[imp]

I think the Manny that beat Margarito at 154lb would have beaten the Oscar that fought Floyd but not the version that beat Vargas.

No way!

The big oscar floyd fought would have beat manny and margacheato on the same night!

That Oscar tired badly after 6 rounds which he was winning. Manny would have taken over.

There will always be conflict and different opinions.

But what we do know is that oscar was younger and at his weight holding all the cards when floyd beat him.

If we look at the same opponents that floyd and manny have fought...floyd has beaten everyone of them...manny hasnt!

Lets not curve history. Manny has marquez problems. Floyd does not!

Back of the net.

[IamInuit]

Sadly this cant be done on a micro-level. Like in the thread title under a different name, I have never seen this kind of equality on epic ledgers such as this and legacy in the same weight area in quite some time. I have also never seen two others in a similar situation not find a way to fight each other.

Manny fought ATG'S past their prime and arguably lost to Marquez 3 other times. Had weight conditions with others and Oscar should not even be considered. The guy had not made welter in almost 10 years. Rehydrated 2 pounds coming in at 145/147 (at fight time) and looked like he had scurvy and both feet nailed to the floor. Means about as much as Holmes/Ali. Still a remarkable set f prints left in the sport.

Floyd beat many more prime guys and above average fighters in their prime. Still, he seemed content and not going beyond the call of duty like Manny did. But he did dominate. Trouble with Floyd is he fed on the same style of fighter much of the time and always seemed more about money then legacy and got breaks along the way having Cortez in many fights. Extra long time off and probably sat out 5 years of his prime.

Both guys are first ballot and both will have a few asterisks attached at the end of the day and the one in bold will be the fact that they share the blame for never fighting. No way should this fight have escaped history.

[Silkeyjoe]

Comparing Manny and Floyd is like comparing Floyd to fighters from different eras, they just aint gonna fight and we dont really know who would win. Flod is big fav but Ive always maintained speed and movement could cause Floyd to struggle. Thats why I give Khan a great chance against him, a better chance than I would give him of beating Pac.

As for Floyds opposition being much superior to Pacs well if we look at their last 7.

Floyd has Mosly who was well past it, Ortiz who is noy good, Cotto who got obliterated by Pac (easier than Floyd did) Guerrero who again is average, Alavarez (his best opponent) who I again dont rate at that level as I feel he should have lost to Lara and anyone strugling with Trout isnt going to be a match for Floyd and then Maidana twice who in my opinoin was not worthy of a fight with Floyd once let alone twice.

Pac has Margarito nothing special but is as good as Maidana, Mosely shot, Marquez as good as anyone on the floyds list, Bradley twice again as good as anyone on Floyds list and Rios who is just shit.

[imp]

Comparing Manny and Floyd is like comparing Floyd to fighters from different eras, they just aint gonna fight and we dont really know who would win. Flod is big fav but Ive always maintained speed and movement could cause Floyd to struggle. Thats why I give Khan a great chance against him, a better chance than I would give him of beating Pac.

As for Floyds opposition being much superior to Pacs well if we look at their last 7.

Floyd has Mosly who was well past it, Ortiz who is noy good, Cotto who got obliterated by Pac (easier than Floyd did) Guerrero who again is average, Alavarez (his best opponent) who I again dont rate at that level as I feel he should have lost to Lara and anyone strugling with Trout isnt going to be a match for Floyd and then Maidana twice who in my opinoin was not worthy of a fight with Floyd once let alone twice.

Pac has Margarito nothing special but is as good as Maidana, Mosely shot, Marquez as good as anyone on the floyds list, Bradley twice again as good as anyone on Floyds list and Rios who is just shit.

Mosely just beat the monster margacheato and floyd schooled him.
Manny beat a shot paycheck moseley.

Floyd ko a prime undefeated hatton,
Pac ko a shot defeated hatton.

Ortiz is better than rios
Rios is shit (i agree)

Pac beat a catchweight cotto (good win)
Floyd beat a cotto at his weight.

Maidana would beat margacheato and beats all of pacs opponents bar cotto (possibly)

Canelo would beat all of pacs opponents!
Pac wouldnt even entertain a canelo fight.

This back and forth could go on for ages but no matter how you look at it whether its an inch or a mile..winning is winning...and floyd shines in the above.

Floyd would easily beat marquez and bradley and everyone knows that!!

[walrus]

We can go back and fourth all we want but as fans we should be grateful we were alive in this era to see these guys fighting. In the end I think Manny is a far superior fighter, I know each fighter has a style until themselves but Floyd wouldn't go balls to the wall as Manny always does. Floyd would not fighter a fighter who consistently gives him trouble as JMM did Manny. If so Floyd would have taken on Cotto three months after the first fight. Manny New when he stepped in the ring against JMM it wasn't a gimme but so many if Floyd's fights were gimme. I think his rematch with his last opponent was more to fulfill his contract than to prove anything else. If Floyd gets the W with some controversy when has he ever given a shot about proving things to his fans. Floyd has no fans, only people who give him money. I think Manny has an entire different view on such things. One of our members here @pacfan often talks about how like is in the Philippines and how Manny was selling food on the streets to help his family survive. Someone else said comparing these two fighters is comparing apples and oranges.Tough times for Manny were avoiding starvation, tough times for Floyd were doing time for domestic abuse..

I have much more respect for Manny not only in boxing but in humanity. He is tough in ways that Floyd couldn't experience any longer.

To reiterate, I am glad I'm a boxing fan and have been able to pay overpriced numbers to see Floyd fight, absolutely love to see him do his thing but even more so when it comes to Manny. I always feel I'm seeing something beyond special with Manny. Sure he has some loses, but his record overall is mind blowing especially when you look where he came from. I have been left breathless after seeing Manny land combos like nothing I have seen before. He is beyond great and he doesn't need to tell us every five minutes. Manny v Pac will happen in 2015. I hear Mannys team is looking to steal Biber away from team money. If this does happen Manny v Pac may not happen as Beiber is the only thing keeping Floyd from beginning a full "blown" pedophile. Justin looks long enough where he fulfills Floyd's need for young boys to touch and penetrate but losing him from team money will force Floyd to capture what he really wants, eleven year old boys. Manny is going to rescue Beiber and get him the help he needs. Bahai

[imp]

We can go back and fourth all we want but as fans we should be grateful we were alive in this era to see these guys fighting. In the end I think Manny is a far superior fighter, I know each fighter has a style until themselves but Floyd wouldn't go balls to the wall as Manny always does. Floyd would not fighter a fighter who consistently gives him trouble as JMM did Manny. If so Floyd would have taken on Cotto three months after the first fight. Manny New when he stepped in the ring against JMM it wasn't a gimme but so many if Floyd's fights were gimme. I think his rematch with his last opponent was more to fulfill his contract than to prove anything else. If Floyd gets the W with some controversy when has he ever given a shot about proving things to his fans. Floyd has no fans, only people who give him money. I think Manny has an entire different view on such things. One of our members here @pacfan often talks about how like is in the Philippines and how Manny was selling food on the streets to help his family survive. Someone else said comparing these two fighters is comparing apples and oranges.Tough times for Manny were avoiding starvation, tough times for Floyd were doing time for domestic abuse..

I have much more respect for Manny not only in boxing but in humanity. He is tough in ways that Floyd couldn't experience any longer.

To reiterate, I am glad I'm a boxing fan and have been able to pay overpriced numbers to see Floyd fight, absolutely love to see him do his thing but even more so when it comes to Manny. I always feel I'm seeing something beyond special with Manny. Sure he has some loses, but his record overall is mind blowing especially when you look where he came from. I have been left breathless after seeing Manny land combos like nothing I have seen before. He is beyond great and he doesn't need to tell us every five minutes. Manny v Pac will happen in 2015. I hear Mannys team is looking to steal Biber away from team money. If this does happen Manny v Pac may not happen as Beiber is the only thing keeping Floyd from beginning a full "blown" pedophile. Justin looks long enough where he fulfills Floyd's need for young boys to touch and penetrate but losing him from team money will force Floyd to capture what he really wants, eleven year old boys. Manny is going to rescue Beiber and get him the help he needs. Bahai

This post ruined all the good ones you might have made.

When someone has to say this fighter was selling food on the streets and the other was not is really clutching those straws.

Smh

[Beanflicker]

Floyd would not fighter a fighter who consistently gives him trouble as JMM did Manny.

Castillo gave him hell and arguably beat him... rematched.

Maidana gave him hell and came very close... rematched.

When you're talk about who was the most exciting fighter, Manny wins by a landslide. It's not even close.

When you're talking about who the superior fighter was and who had the superior career, it was Floyd Mayweather. You'd have to be crazy to argue with either of those facts.

[Beanflicker]

I see a lot of times people factor in excitement into how great a fighter was, and that's something I never understood.

People seem to have trouble grasping the concept that excitement can often be the result of flaws in a fighter, and being boring is often the result of a fighter being so great that his fights aren't competitive.

[mikeeod]

Floyd would not fighter a fighter who consistently gives him trouble as JMM did Manny.

Castillo gave him hell and arguably beat him... rematched.

Maidana gave him hell and came very close... rematched.

When you're talk about who was the most exciting fighter, Manny wins by a landslide. It's not even close.

When you're talking about who the superior fighter was and who had the superior career, it was Floyd Mayweather. You'd have to be crazy to argue with either of those facts.

I disagree, so I must be crazy. I think you are correct in stating that Floyd is the better fighter, you won't get any argument out of me on that one. I disagree that Floyd had the superior career. I value quality of opposition and big wins more than avoiding losses and big events.

Manny electrified the sport. Floyd has risen the awareness of the sport to the general public, but more for novelty act reasons. The fans Manny attracted watch for his excitement value, both in how he fights and by taking on TOUGH competition. People watch Floyd, more people in certain instances than Manny, but more for the hope that he gets beat.

I would say right now that their careers are pretty even, but I don't think it is as crazy as you try to make it seem to favor Manny's career. The fact that you try so hard to say that it shouldn't be a topic just makes you seem like a completely biased fanboy. You lose credibility with the valid points you make...

[pacfan]

We can go back and fourth all we want but as fans we should be grateful we were alive in this era to see these guys fighting. In the end I think Manny is a far superior fighter, I know each fighter has a style until themselves but Floyd wouldn't go balls to the wall as Manny always does. Floyd would not fighter a fighter who consistently gives him trouble as JMM did Manny. If so Floyd would have taken on Cotto three months after the first fight. Manny New when he stepped in the ring against JMM it wasn't a gimme but so many if Floyd's fights were gimme. I think his rematch with his last opponent was more to fulfill his contract than to prove anything else. If Floyd gets the W with some controversy when has he ever given a shot about proving things to his fans. Floyd has no fans, only people who give him money. I think Manny has an entire different view on such things. One of our members here @pacfan often talks about how like is in the Philippines and how Manny was selling food on the streets to help his family survive. Someone else said comparing these two fighters is comparing apples and oranges.Tough times for Manny were avoiding starvation, tough times for Floyd were doing time for domestic abuse..

I have much more respect for Manny not only in boxing but in humanity. He is tough in ways that Floyd couldn't experience any longer.

To reiterate, I am glad I'm a boxing fan and have been able to pay overpriced numbers to see Floyd fight, absolutely love to see him do his thing but even more so when it comes to Manny. I always feel I'm seeing something beyond special with Manny. Sure he has some loses, but his record overall is mind blowing especially when you look where he came from. I have been left breathless after seeing Manny land combos like nothing I have seen before. He is beyond great and he doesn't need to tell us every five minutes. Manny v Pac will happen in 2015. I hear Mannys team is looking to steal Biber away from team money. If this does happen Manny v Pac may not happen as Beiber is the only thing keeping Floyd from beginning a full "blown" pedophile. Justin looks long enough where he fulfills Floyd's need for young boys to touch and penetrate but losing him from team money will force Floyd to capture what he really wants, eleven year old boys. Manny is going to rescue Beiber and get him the help he needs. Bahai

Nice post, buds, I couldn't have said it any better.

[SlimTrae]

It's hard for me to say Floyd has cherry picked his way for straight 18 years.

My knock on his competiton is : fighting Zab after he lost to Baldomir.
Not fighting Paul Williams or Antonio Margarito @ WW win they were on the winning side of their careers.

I respect him for 18 years:1 knockdown ( his glove scraped the canvas)
Beat undefeated fighters: Diego Corrales, Ricky Hatton & Canelo

Defeated Mosley after Shane mugged Margarito
+ His last 4-5 fights came against fighters all in their 20's: Ortiz, Guerrero, Canelo & Maidana

My knock with Pacquiao was fighting David Diaz at LW, but not undefeated Juan Diaz (JMM did) or the guy who beat Juan Diaz (Nate Campbell) or the linear champ at the time Casamayor (JMM did) or then undefeated Michael Katsidis (JMM)

@ the time it looked like JMM was chasing Pac UP in weight, while cleaning out divisions.

I totally blame Arum as IMO Pac would fight anyone, but he fought more catchweights than a mutha.

Today they claimed he has won titles in 8 divisions- BUT if you look at what he weighed fight night -not the weigh in against MAB in 03' it was 138, then years later against Margarito @ catchweight it was 147.

How in the hell does a man win 8 different weight classes while coming in between 138-147 from 2003-2014? Catchweighting his ass all the way to the Boxing Hall of Fame.

I do respect Pac for the way he ends fights. No question marks.

In conclusion: Morales outboxed him fight one & busted him up-
JMM & he fought like Frazier-Ali: no definitive winner, rather two guys who know each other too well for a clear winner.

His best win to me is over a young undefeated Bradley- As Hatton proved China chin with Jurango and even stopped by moderate puncher PBF.
Pac totally outclassed Margarito and Rios, great wins over (mediocre fighters)

Floyd hands down has the best career, best resume and fought them more on their terms, while Pac beat most of hs fighters at catchweights, or after they recently lost.

Pac is a great fighter, while Floyd has a great record. Somehow they both cancel each other out..
as they both have question marks. (sorry 4 the long post)

[Silkeyjoe]

Comparing Manny and Floyd is like comparing Floyd to fighters from different eras, they just aint gonna fight and we dont really know who would win. Flod is big fav but Ive always maintained speed and movement could cause Floyd to struggle. Thats why I give Khan a great chance against him, a better chance than I would give him of beating Pac.

As for Floyds opposition being much superior to Pacs well if we look at their last 7.

Floyd has Mosly who was well past it, Ortiz who is noy good, Cotto who got obliterated by Pac (easier than Floyd did) Guerrero who again is average, Alavarez (his best opponent) who I again dont rate at that level as I feel he should have lost to Lara and anyone strugling with Trout isnt going to be a match for Floyd and then Maidana twice who in my opinoin was not worthy of a fight with Floyd once let alone twice.

Pac has Margarito nothing special but is as good as Maidana, Mosely shot, Marquez as good as anyone on the floyds list, Bradley twice again as good as anyone on Floyds list and Rios who is just shit.

Mosely just beat the monster margacheato and floyd schooled him.
Manny beat a shot paycheck moseley.

Floyd ko a prime undefeated hatton,
Pac ko a shot defeated hatton.

Ortiz is better than rios
Rios is shit (i agree)

Pac beat a catchweight cotto (good win)
Floyd beat a cotto at his weight.

Maidana would beat margacheato and beats all of pacs opponents bar cotto (possibly)

Canelo would beat all of pacs opponents!
Pac wouldnt even entertain a canelo fight.

This back and forth could go on for ages but no matter how you look at it whether its an inch or a mile..winning is winning...and floyd shines in the above.

Floyd would easily beat marquez and bradley and everyone knows that!!

Ortiz lost to Lopez who is as bad as they come at top level. Rios would beat Ortiz because Ortiz cant box smart and he has no chin. Pac beat Hatton at Hattons proper weight and didnt make him step up to a weight class he wasnt strong in. Canelo wouldnt beat Marquez or Bradley especially if he was weight drained like he was against Floyd. He just isnt that good at all. Maidana couldnt beat Kotelnik or Khan and struggled with a shot Morales. Again he aint coming close to beating Bradley or Marquez. Stop being a twat.

[imp]

Comparing Manny and Floyd is like comparing Floyd to fighters from different eras, they just aint gonna fight and we dont really know who would win. Flod is big fav but Ive always maintained speed and movement could cause Floyd to struggle. Thats why I give Khan a great chance against him, a better chance than I would give him of beating Pac.

As for Floyds opposition being much superior to Pacs well if we look at their last 7.

Floyd has Mosly who was well past it, Ortiz who is noy good, Cotto who got obliterated by Pac (easier than Floyd did) Guerrero who again is average, Alavarez (his best opponent) who I again dont rate at that level as I feel he should have lost to Lara and anyone strugling with Trout isnt going to be a match for Floyd and then Maidana twice who in my opinoin was not worthy of a fight with Floyd once let alone twice.

Pac has Margarito nothing special but is as good as Maidana, Mosely shot, Marquez as good as anyone on the floyds list, Bradley twice again as good as anyone on Floyds list and Rios who is just shit.

Mosely just beat the monster margacheato and floyd schooled him.
Manny beat a shot paycheck moseley.

Floyd ko a prime undefeated hatton,
Pac ko a shot defeated hatton.

Ortiz is better than rios
Rios is shit (i agree)

Pac beat a catchweight cotto (good win)
Floyd beat a cotto at his weight.

Maidana would beat margacheato and beats all of pacs opponents bar cotto (possibly)

Canelo would beat all of pacs opponents!
Pac wouldnt even entertain a canelo fight.

This back and forth could go on for ages but no matter how you look at it whether its an inch or a mile..winning is winning...and floyd shines in the above.

Floyd would easily beat marquez and bradley and everyone knows that!!

Ortiz lost to Lopez who is as bad as they come at top level. Rios would beat Ortiz because Ortiz cant box smart and he has no chin. Pac beat Hatton at Hattons proper weight and didnt make him step up to a weight class he wasnt strong in. Canelo wouldnt beat Marquez or Bradley especially if he was weight drained like he was against Floyd. He just isnt that good at all. Maidana couldnt beat Kotelnik or Khan and struggled with a shot Morales. Again he aint coming close to beating Bradley or Marquez. Stop being a twat.

Mikeeod makes a much better arguement than you silky joe.

It was only a few threads ago when every saddo member exposed you for calling marquez win against pac a lucky punch.

No one is saying pac is not a great fighter..im merely pointing out that floyd would never loose to those opponents and is the more complete fighter.

Pac would be "up" to fight floyd but isnt floyd "up" to fight all his opponents.

So canelo would not beat marquez or bradley at the catchweight that canelos team demanded?
Are you loco?

Floyd should never have fought canelo at a catchweight as we all know he criticised manny for it and the last round he had against maidana was appalling and that was running!

Either way, I dont have to curse or call people names to get my point across, son.

[Silkeyjoe]

Comparing Manny and Floyd is like comparing Floyd to fighters from different eras, they just aint gonna fight and we dont really know who would win. Flod is big fav but Ive always maintained speed and movement could cause Floyd to struggle. Thats why I give Khan a great chance against him, a better chance than I would give him of beating Pac.

As for Floyds opposition being much superior to Pacs well if we look at their last 7.

Floyd has Mosly who was well past it, Ortiz who is noy good, Cotto who got obliterated by Pac (easier than Floyd did) Guerrero who again is average, Alavarez (his best opponent) who I again dont rate at that level as I feel he should have lost to Lara and anyone strugling with Trout isnt going to be a match for Floyd and then Maidana twice who in my opinoin was not worthy of a fight with Floyd once let alone twice.

Pac has Margarito nothing special but is as good as Maidana, Mosely shot, Marquez as good as anyone on the floyds list, Bradley twice again as good as anyone on Floyds list and Rios who is just shit.

Mosely just beat the monster margacheato and floyd schooled him.
Manny beat a shot paycheck moseley.

Floyd ko a prime undefeated hatton,
Pac ko a shot defeated hatton.

Ortiz is better than rios
Rios is shit (i agree)

Pac beat a catchweight cotto (good win)
Floyd beat a cotto at his weight.

Maidana would beat margacheato and beats all of pacs opponents bar cotto (possibly)

Canelo would beat all of pacs opponents!
Pac wouldnt even entertain a canelo fight.

This back and forth could go on for ages but no matter how you look at it whether its an inch or a mile..winning is winning...and floyd shines in the above.

Floyd would easily beat marquez and bradley and everyone knows that!!

Ortiz lost to Lopez who is as bad as they come at top level. Rios would beat Ortiz because Ortiz cant box smart and he has no chin. Pac beat Hatton at Hattons proper weight and didnt make him step up to a weight class he wasnt strong in. Canelo wouldnt beat Marquez or Bradley especially if he was weight drained like he was against Floyd. He just isnt that good at all. Maidana couldnt beat Kotelnik or Khan and struggled with a shot Morales. Again he aint coming close to beating Bradley or Marquez. Stop being a twat.

Mikeeod makes a much better arguement than you silky joe.

It was only a few threads ago when every saddo member exposed you for calling marquez win against pac a lucky punch.

No one is saying pac is not a great fighter..im merely pointing out that floyd would never loose to those opponents and is the more complete fighter.

Pac would be "up" to fight floyd but isnt floyd "up" to fight all his opponents.

So canelo would not beat marquez or bradley at the catchweight that canelos team demanded?
Are you loco?

Floyd should never have fought canelo at a catchweight as we all know he criticised manny for it and the last round he had against maidana was appalling and that was running!

Either way, I dont have to curse or call people names to get my point across, son.

Im not argueing whos the better fighter, as I have said countless times before its clearly Floyd. This thread is about whos opponents have been better and all I have said is the truth, that they are about par judging by their last 7 opponents. And no Canelo did not demand Floyd to fight at a catchweight rather than the normal LMW limit.

It depends what you call a lucky punch. Throwing that same punch 1000 times against Pac how many times does he land and KO Pac? 5? 10? Id call that lucky if you are landing a 1 or 2 percenter. Most people who criticised me calling it lucky said there is no luck in boxing and no such thing as a lucky punch. I Just dont believe that.