Floyd's competition vs Manny's competition

[Master]

Floyd is the GOAT in the business of boxing. Undeniable fact!

I am sure Holyfield and Tyson made more money than he did.

[Beanflicker]

You seem like a good guy who is pretty smart, so don't take this as a personal attack or bashing you in any way. I feel like the majority of Floyd fans are hyper sensitive and act like the guy is untouchable or above critcism. I can say that Floyd is an ATG, phenomenal fighter, but disagree that he is the GOAT or fought better comp than his contemporaries and Floyd fans freak. It goes from what I said to me thinking he's a bum who ducks everyone and a coward with a glass jaw. That is what kills the discussions, people just try to completely distort what you say in an attempt to make your points invalid...

Well firstly, my post wasn't aimed at you in particular and was in no way a summarization of your personal views of Mayweather. I think you were one of the more reasonable Floyd haters and we probably only disagree on a few issues about it.

Secondly, it depends on what Floyd you're talking about. I'm not emotionally invested in Mayweather because I think Floyd the person is a piece of shit. He's a criminal, a degenerate, a woman-beater, an idiot (who was lucky enough to surround himself with smart guys), an ego-maniac, ect ect. He's an asshole, so I can understand why so many hate him.

But if you're talking Floyd the boxer, there really isn't a whole lot to criticize. He's a genius in the ring, his in-ring skills and knowledge are off the charts, and he hasn't lost a fight in 18 years. Too many boxing fans try to discredit his career, but at the end of the day you have to give the devil his due.

[mikeeod]

You seem like a good guy who is pretty smart, so don't take this as a personal attack or bashing you in any way. I feel like the majority of Floyd fans are hyper sensitive and act like the guy is untouchable or above critcism. I can say that Floyd is an ATG, phenomenal fighter, but disagree that he is the GOAT or fought better comp than his contemporaries and Floyd fans freak. It goes from what I said to me thinking he's a bum who ducks everyone and a coward with a glass jaw. That is what kills the discussions, people just try to completely distort what you say in an attempt to make your points invalid...

Well firstly, my post wasn't aimed at you in particular and was in no way a summarization of your personal views of Mayweather. I think you were one of the more reasonable Floyd haters and we probably only disagree on a few issues about it.

Secondly, it depends on what Floyd you're talking about. I'm not emotionally invested in Mayweather because I think Floyd the person is a piece of shit. He's a criminal, a degenerate, a woman-beater, an idiot (who was lucky enough to surround himself with smart guys), an ego-maniac, ect ect. He's an asshole, so I can understand why so many hate him.

But if you're talking Floyd the boxer, there really isn't a whole lot to criticize. He's a genius in the ring, his in-ring skills and knowledge are off the charts, and he hasn't lost a fight in 18 years. Too many boxing fans try to discredit his career, but at the end of the day you have to give the devil his due.

Haha. That is my point, my man. I really like Floyd and think he is brilliant in the ring. I constantly say he is an ATG n along with Hop n Ward the last of the truly skilled, elite fighters. Despite all of those statements of admiration, you classify me as a "reasonable Floyd hater"?!?!?! You see the disconnect there, right?

[imp]

Floyd would never end up bankrupt.

Obviously no one can defend his antics outside the ring as floyd and manny are complete opposites including style of fighting.

I will always accept like many other fans that might not like floyd the person that he is a complete genuis in the ring and the best of this era.

Manny is a likable guy but surely its reasonable to accept from every fan that he cant be even considered to be the best until he beats floyd.

Its not hard to understand.

Put away the hate and whatever stereotyping a person might have and concentrate on their skills in the ring and plus points both fighters have.

No one can ignore mannys rise to the top and he has destroyed many opponents but he has also taken losses to opponents that we have all agreed that floyd would never have lost too.

Just think if manny had floyds opponents from 1-47 and I think we can all honestly say he would never be undefeated.

Its not all about losses but in this thread we are talking about opponents so its unfair to skip over the losses pac has had and also the difficult fight floyd had with castillo.

Just imagine it if manny pacquio was undefeated and had advisors (rather than a boss) with hundreds and millions for each fight!

He made a bad move signing up to bob arum again and that was a massive up yours to the floyd camp.

[SlimTrae]

I try to deal only with Floyd the boxer, not the person, but I gotta take a swing at the bankrupt comment.

When I lived in Atlanta, Holyfield was at the top of his game- and made some pretty good investments (so it seemed)-- from his own car dealership to helping the creation of an olympic center (I left before he finished it..,if he did.)

While he did buy a mansion the size of a shopping mall, he wasn't a wild spender across the board- even adding on the 8,9 or 22 kids he has, that didn't bankrupt him, alone.

My point is: Floyd makes investments in what? Making it rain in the strip clubs? I can only make it drizzle, but if I could make it rain, for what?

He buys cars & Jewlery, like normal people buys socks and drawz. Cars that I can only imagine him selling them off, when the IRS will do to him what they did to Holyfield, Ali back to Joe Louis.
Does he even donate to the right sources so he can deduct it come tax time?

Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Larry Holmes & the great Walter Payton are examples of how Floyd can keep his loot & maintain a lavish lifestyle- - those guys invested in themselves and in land (property)-and not in the strip clubs or stock market or the hot thing of the day; google or some shit like that..

Only an opinion, but PBF will definately have money issues within 5 years of his retirement. He's too materialistic not to.

As far as PBF the boxer: Damn; 18 years and every style imagineable-he has faced & defeated.

[mikeeod]

I try to deal only with Floyd the boxer, not the person, but I gotta take a swing at the bankrupt comment.

When I lived in Atlanta, Holyfield was at the top of his game- and made some pretty good investments (so it seemed)-- from his own car dealership to helping the creation of an olympic center (I left before he finished it..,if he did.)

While he did buy a mansion the size of a shopping mall, he wasn't a wild spender across the board- even adding on the 8,9 or 22 kids he has, that didn't bankrupt him, alone.

My point is: Floyd makes investments in what? Making it rain in the strip clubs? I can only make it drizzle, but if I could make it rain, for what?

He buys cars & Jewlery, like normal people buys socks and drawz. Cars that I can only imagine him selling them off, when the IRS will do to him what they did to Holyfield, Ali back to Joe Louis.
Does he even donate to the right sources so he can deduct it come tax time?

Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Larry Holmes & the great Walter Payton are examples of how Floyd can keep his loot & maintain a lavish lifestyle- - those guys invested in themselves and in land (property)-and not in the strip clubs or stock market or the hot thing of the day; google or some shit like that..

Only an opinion, but PBF will definately have money issues within 5 years of his retirement. He's too materialistic not to.

As far as PBF the boxer: Damn; 18 years and every style imagineable-he has faced & defeated.

Agreed with pretty much everything in your post until your last comment. Overall great post. Would just ask: what tall, rangy boxer puncher like Hearns or Vernon Forrest did Floyd beat? That is the one style I'm sure would give him fits. Good lateral movement and jab, with the threat of a big shot backing those attributes up. I would be interested to see Floyd vs a truly elite/great infighter also. Hatton n Castillo especially gave him fits. I wonder what an Aaron Pryor, JC Chavez, Duran or Armstrong would've done. Before guys accuse me of hating, not saying Floyd stands no chance or would definitely lose, just think they push him to either be as great as he claims or prove that he isn't.

[SlimTrae]

I try to deal only with Floyd the boxer, not the person, but I gotta take a swing at the bankrupt comment.

When I lived in Atlanta, Holyfield was at the top of his game- and made some pretty good investments (so it seemed)-- from his own car dealership to helping the creation of an olympic center (I left before he finished it..,if he did.)

While he did buy a mansion the size of a shopping mall, he wasn't a wild spender across the board- even adding on the 8,9 or 22 kids he has, that didn't bankrupt him, alone.

My point is: Floyd makes investments in what? Making it rain in the strip clubs? I can only make it drizzle, but if I could make it rain, for what?

He buys cars & Jewlery, like normal people buys socks and drawz. Cars that I can only imagine him selling them off, when the IRS will do to him what they did to Holyfield, Ali back to Joe Louis.
Does he even donate to the right sources so he can deduct it come tax time?

Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Larry Holmes & the great Walter Payton are examples of how Floyd can keep his loot & maintain a lavish lifestyle- - those guys invested in themselves and in land (property)-and not in the strip clubs or stock market or the hot thing of the day; google or some shit like that..

Only an opinion, but PBF will definately have money issues within 5 years of his retirement. He's too materialistic not to.

As far as PBF the boxer: Damn; 18 years and every style imagineable-he has faced & defeated.

Agreed with pretty much everything in your post until your last comment. Overall great post. Would just ask: what tall, rangy boxer puncher like Hearns or Vernon Forrest did Floyd beat? That is the one style I'm sure would give him fits. .

What?! R U kidding me? What tall rangy fighter did he fight? He fought Paul Wil... Uh, okay he fought Antonio Marga...
Okay, looks like we have the same thinking when it comes to saying for whatever reasons...he chose NOT to fight PW & AM @ WW, when they were winning.
Maybe a blemish free record means more to thim than fighting the best...whenever.

[Beanflicker]

I guarantee Floyd will be broke within a few years of retiring. Frivolous luxury spending, gambling addiction, large entourage and hangers-on, ect.

He'll be back in jail on some charges, and he'll be broke. He's a boxing genius but outside the ring he's a thug.