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Re: Reverse Engineering Archie Moore and his "Lock" System
That is exactly it. You do something- a feint, how you move closer, whatever- and because you do it a lot, you have a pretty good idea of what the other guy is going to do, and so then you know what you are going to do, and so on. Good fighters seem to know what the other guy is going to do next because he is making them do it.Originally Posted by Scrap
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It appears that all the hype of the Mayweather shoulder roll is done.Andre Ward is the new technique of defense which is nothing more than the lock to block a right punch just simply put your left arm out in a right arc. Andre Ward In Ring Demonstration - YouTube 2:26
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Bcbud do you even box? Of course fighters have a system. By what your saying there is no point in teaching any fighter nothin coz theyll go back to what theyre comfy with? Why bother teaching anything? Stance? Combinations? Lmao seriously your claiming you box with national coaches? Lol
I had a system like any reall fighter does. If i didnt want you to jab i would come under and over it with hard combos. If i want you to jab then im not countering as im looking to get the timing down to take your head off with these shit jabs your throwing.
That is just a glimpse of my openings. If you aint got a system you aint gunnado much in any fight.
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Well it goes back to what my old cuban coach said you either got elasticity or you don't. Whatever you do blocking,stance,moving forward you're still gonna get knocked out. Just recently I had the chance to work out with Deontay Wilder when I shared with Deontay some of your ideas Wayne, I remember Deontay smiling and he said tell that guy that he can do what ever he wants but when those hands come down. Bomb squad. Tru dat.
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For someone who's supposedly trained with Cubans, undefeated pros and national level coaches you sure don't know shit about boxing.Well it goes back to what my old cuban coach said you either got elasticity or you don't. Whatever you do blocking,stance,moving forward you're still gonna get knocked out. Just recently I had the chance to work out with Deontay Wilder when I shared with Deontay some of your ideas Wayne, I remember Deontay smiling and he said tell that guy that he can do what ever he wants but when those hands come down. Bomb squad. Tru dat.
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What are you going to do? Throw a jab and long cross... get off your one or two punches and I'll take a step forward for every punch that you throw at me until we meet in the corner.Well it goes back to what my old cuban coach said you either got elasticity or you don't. Whatever you do blocking,stance,moving forward you're still gonna get knocked out. Just recently I had the chance to work out with Deontay Wilder when I shared with Deontay some of your ideas Wayne, I remember Deontay smiling and he said tell that guy that he can do what ever he wants but when those hands come down. Bomb squad. Tru dat.
For someone who's supposedly trained with Cubans, undefeated pros and national level coaches you sure don't know shit about boxing.
What are you gonna do when we're in the pocket together. whats the pocket? Do this go to the bag and put your right hand to the pocket of the bag and come forward until the arm forms a 90° right angle. Let's do the punches that I do every day remember small movements please throw this combo 1,2,5,6 on the bodyshots turn the thumbs in. Now! The left hook, rule in boxing never throw a hook standing still. Take your left foot and step to the left. Put your weight on the left foot and press down and come up using the power of the left toe! Don't turn over the left ankle! Keep your left elbow in! As your throwing the left hook let the elbow travel up the side of the body 3-4 cm. now turn over the thumb until your arm and hand looks like a shovel try not to turn the elbow over too much over remember the movement is small. It's permissible to slide your shoulder to right slightly as you throw the hook. Now step out to the left side of the bag. 1,2,5,6,3 step out to the left side of the bag.
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What the fuck are you talking about? Can you even read? Do you actually understand a word of what anyone writes?What are you going to do? Throw a jab and long cross... get off your one or two punches and I'll take a step forward for every punch that you throw at me until we meet in the corner.Well it goes back to what my old cuban coach said you either got elasticity or you don't. Whatever you do blocking,stance,moving forward you're still gonna get knocked out. Just recently I had the chance to work out with Deontay Wilder when I shared with Deontay some of your ideas Wayne, I remember Deontay smiling and he said tell that guy that he can do what ever he wants but when those hands come down. Bomb squad. Tru dat.
For someone who's supposedly trained with Cubans, undefeated pros and national level coaches you sure don't know shit about boxing.
What are you gonna do when we're in the pocket together. whats the pocket? Do this go to the bag and put your right hand to the pocket of the bag and come forward until the arm forms a 90° right angle. Let's do the punches that I do every day remember small movements please throw this combo 1,2,5,6 on the bodyshots turn the thumbs in. Now! The left hook, rule in boxing never throw a hook standing still. Take your left foot and step to the left. Put your weight on the left foot and press down and come up using the power of the left toe! Don't turn over the left ankle! Keep your left elbow in! As your throwing the left hook let the elbow travel up the side of the body 3-4 cm. now turn over the thumb until your arm and hand looks like a shovel try not to turn the elbow over too much over remember the movement is small. It's permissible to slide your shoulder to right slightly as you throw the hook. Now step out to the left side of the bag. 1,2,5,6,3 step out to the left side of the bag.
If I thought you actually trained I'd be worried you're taking a few too many to the dome.
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Like grey says you tell them what to do, first to establish a punch or counter takes control by feinting and kidding them into position.
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I've been watching a lot of Duran lately and he seemed to follow a lot of pathways on this flowchart, especially as he liked to catch jabs a hell of a lot.
It's funny as there is no 'set play' for defending jab-hook combinations, or hooking of the jab (or off a feinted jab etc).
Both got nailed by similar shots (De Jesus/ Patterson).
If you watch Duran in the rubber match against De Jesus, count the number of jab-hook-cross combinations he throws. Obviously learned something over the years.
It's a good system to work from in parts but not exclusively (flaws noted above). It doesn't account hooks being thrown from further outside as more fighters could manage to do over the years, as athleticism increased.
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There is a real simple method for defending against jab/hook combinations. You catch the jab- don't reach out for it, keep your right hand right in front of your chin. To block the hook, pick your right glove up and shift your weight onto your left foot and turn slightly over that foot. This enables you to roll a bit inside the hook rather than having it hit you square when you block it. Also, it puts you in position to come back with your own left hook. Finally, the motion of turning over the left leg is the same as it is for throwing a right hand; a right uppercut is a nifty counter to a hook to the body and you can drop a straight right inside a wide hook, especially one thrown from outside.
Archie probably didn't account for 'long range hooks' because, in his day, they were thrown mostly by rank amateurs. Indeed, going back to the earliest days of the gloved era, when long range hooks were called swings, they have been viewed with disdain. But, to many in boxing, disdain is nothing to get you down, so that is not why swings fell into disfavor. It was because when you swing, you don't really know which part of your hand is going to hit the opponent so swinging caused hand problems. Modern gloves, not athleticism, have made them favorable again.
Not to mention that boxing is in such dark days, skill-wise, that it is seen as entirely likely that one will fight guys- regularly- that are so defensively inept, that you can leap in and potshot them, like in a movie.
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Top post.There is a real simple method for defending against jab/hook combinations. You catch the jab- don't reach out for it, keep your right hand right in front of your chin. To block the hook, pick your right glove up and shift your weight onto your left foot and turn slightly over that foot. This enables you to roll a bit inside the hook rather than having it hit you square when you block it. Also, it puts you in position to come back with your own left hook. Finally, the motion of turning over the left leg is the same as it is for throwing a right hand; a right uppercut is a nifty counter to a hook to the body and you can drop a straight right inside a wide hook, especially one thrown from outside.
Archie probably didn't account for 'long range hooks' because, in his day, they were thrown mostly by rank amateurs. Indeed, going back to the earliest days of the gloved era, when long range hooks were called swings, they have been viewed with disdain. But, to many in boxing, disdain is nothing to get you down, so that is not why swings fell into disfavor. It was because when you swing, you don't really know which part of your hand is going to hit the opponent so swinging caused hand problems. Modern gloves, not athleticism, have made them favorable again.
Not to mention that boxing is in such dark days, skill-wise, that it is seen as entirely likely that one will fight guys- regularly- that are so defensively inept, that you can leap in and potshot them, like in a movie.
Excuse me diverging but talking about swings and hooks.
I've always thought it weird seeing fighters not swing a shot through the path of an opponents head who is playing around or has the habit of going side to side. Follow the path of the target and it will get it even on the way back, move in with a tight hook or step out to the side and swing one through the path.
How many times do you see people fix a stance and take straight pot shots at a head that is simply moving side to side in front of them? I recon 99% of the time.
I remember Roy would even put his hands near his knees and do it! Could never get over how he knew how dumb or frustrated his opponents were at that stage to get away with that shit.
Like you say mate dark days skill wise.
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That is nice for inside fighting; slightly turning into a hook or a swing defuses it and set you up off both hands.There is a real simple method for defending against jab/hook combinations. You catch the jab- don't reach out for it, keep your right hand right in front of your chin. To block the hook, pick your right glove up and shift your weight onto your left foot and turn slightly over that foot. This enables you to roll a bit inside the hook rather than having it hit you square when you block it. Also, it puts you in position to come back with your own left hook. Finally, the motion of turning over the left leg is the same as it is for throwing a right hand; a right uppercut is a nifty counter to a hook to the body and you can drop a straight right inside a wide hook, especially one thrown from outside.
Archie probably didn't account for 'long range hooks' because, in his day, they were thrown mostly by rank amateurs. Indeed, going back to the earliest days of the gloved era, when long range hooks were called swings, they have been viewed with disdain. But, to many in boxing, disdain is nothing to get you down, so that is not why swings fell into disfavor. It was because when you swing, you don't really know which part of your hand is going to hit the opponent so swinging caused hand problems. Modern gloves, not athleticism, have made them favorable again.
Not to mention that boxing is in such dark days, skill-wise, that it is seen as entirely likely that one will fight guys- regularly- that are so defensively inept, that you can leap in and potshot them, like in a movie.
Could even set you up to walk out through their shot too, open them up as you head that way.
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Great post! I love that you call it catching whereas a lot of people would consider the same defense a parry. I like the word catch because the punch is coming to you, you don't reach out to parry it. You just let it come to your glove and catch it. Even if you misread, that movement you explained where you shift to your front foot and move the arm out to block flows naturally. Very subtle, but very effective!There is a real simple method for defending against jab/hook combinations. You catch the jab- don't reach out for it, keep your right hand right in front of your chin. To block the hook, pick your right glove up and shift your weight onto your left foot and turn slightly over that foot. This enables you to roll a bit inside the hook rather than having it hit you square when you block it. Also, it puts you in position to come back with your own left hook. Finally, the motion of turning over the left leg is the same as it is for throwing a right hand; a right uppercut is a nifty counter to a hook to the body and you can drop a straight right inside a wide hook, especially one thrown from outside.
Archie probably didn't account for 'long range hooks' because, in his day, they were thrown mostly by rank amateurs. Indeed, going back to the earliest days of the gloved era, when long range hooks were called swings, they have been viewed with disdain. But, to many in boxing, disdain is nothing to get you down, so that is not why swings fell into disfavor. It was because when you swing, you don't really know which part of your hand is going to hit the opponent so swinging caused hand problems. Modern gloves, not athleticism, have made them favorable again.
Not to mention that boxing is in such dark days, skill-wise, that it is seen as entirely likely that one will fight guys- regularly- that are so defensively inept, that you can leap in and potshot them, like in a movie.
About swings, what do you think of the way a lot of the cubans and eastern europeans are hooking? They throw some very long hooks, but the way they sit down and turn their fist over lets them hit with the right part of the hand, plus this type of hook is great for coming around a guard or shoulder.
Fucks your thumb up if you mess up though, especially if your gloves don't let you position the thumb properly.
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This is the corck-screw hook
About swings, what do you think of the way a lot of the cubans and eastern europeans are hooking? They throw some very long hooks, but the way they sit down and turn their fist over lets them hit with the right part of the hand, plus this type of hook is great for coming around a guard or shoulder.
Fucks your thumb up if you mess up though, especially if your gloves don't let you position the thumb properly.
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I've heard it called a million things--corkscrew hook, russian long hook, cuban hook, casting punch, swing, overhand left, etc. What I know is it's a favorite among the commies, and it's the way I was taught to throw a left hook that needs to come around a guard or shoulder. My coach doesn't have any special name for it, it's just a left hook after all.This is the corck-screw hook
About swings, what do you think of the way a lot of the cubans and eastern europeans are hooking? They throw some very long hooks, but the way they sit down and turn their fist over lets them hit with the right part of the hand, plus this type of hook is great for coming around a guard or shoulder.
Fucks your thumb up if you mess up though, especially if your gloves don't let you position the thumb properly.
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