Who will be remembered as the greater fighter: Bernard Hopkins or Floyd Mayweather?

[powerpuncher]

In what ways is Bernard Better than Floyd?

He fought everybody, most of them in their prime.

Floyd avoided many, or waited until they faded (Mosley was 40 when Floyd fought his, De La Hoya was past his best). Floyd fought a lot of clubfighters/fringe contenders like Ortiz, Mitchell, and Maidana.

actually floyd probably fought tougher opposition. bhop did clean out the MW division but most of the people he fought werent really that good. the fight that really put him over was against tito who was a welter. same with de la hoya. i would say that floyds best wins are better than hopkins best wins.

but its a joke of a thread anyways. floyd is a top 20 p4p of all time. bernard basically sealed his legacy because of his age. floyd sealed his with his greatness.

I would LOVE for you to explain how you think Floyd faced tougher competition. No way and it isn't even close. Floyd hasn't faced nearly as many top guys as Hop. It's not even close. That statement just completely overshadows any valid points you may have made.

so they have one common opponent and that is de la hoya. that wasnt an impressive win at all for bhop because i knew that de la hoya was way too small and was actually surprised that he did so well. mayweather did the opposite and went up in weight to fight him. and tito (who really made bhop a bigger name) was a one dimensional fighter who was very good at what he did but easily got outboxed (watch the de la hoya and winky fights). plus tito was a welter, not a middleweight.

those are probably his biggest wins along with probably tarver. most of his wins from tarver on were more impressive because of age instead of who they were against. for example, we were all impressed that he beat pascal, not because pascal is great but because bhop was old and did it convincingly (in their second fight at least). most of his wins at middleweight werent that impressive because his opposition wasnt great. look at the list of guys he fought and you will realize that no name really sticks out.

[Silkeyjoe]

In what ways is Bernard Better than Floyd?

He fought everybody, most of them in their prime.

Floyd avoided many, or waited until they faded (Mosley was 40 when Floyd fought his, De La Hoya was past his best). Floyd fought a lot of clubfighters/fringe contenders like Ortiz, Mitchell, and Maidana.

actually floyd probably fought tougher opposition. bhop did clean out the MW division but most of the people he fought werent really that good. the fight that really put him over was against tito who was a welter. same with de la hoya. i would say that floyds best wins are better than hopkins best wins.

but its a joke of a thread anyways. floyd is a top 20 p4p of all time. bernard basically sealed his legacy because of his age. floyd sealed his with his greatness.

I would LOVE for you to explain how you think Floyd faced tougher competition. No way and it isn't even close. Floyd hasn't faced nearly as many top guys as Hop. It's not even close. That statement just completely overshadows any valid points you may have made.

so they have one common opponent and that is de la hoya. that wasnt an impressive win at all for bhop because i knew that de la hoya was way too small and was actually surprised that he did so well. mayweather did the opposite and went up in weight to fight him. and tito (who really made bhop a bigger name) was a one dimensional fighter who was very good at what he did but easily got outboxed (watch the de la hoya and winky fights). plus tito was a welter, not a middleweight.

those are probably his biggest wins along with probably tarver. most of his wins from tarver on were more impressive because of age instead of who they were against. for example, we were all impressed that he beat pascal, not because pascal is great but because bhop was old and did it convincingly (in their second fight at least). most of his wins at middleweight werent that impressive because his opposition wasnt great. look at the list of guys he fought and you will realize that no name really sticks out.

You conveniently leave out Pavlik, who was one of the most feared fighters at the time. You also fail to mention P4P king Roy Jones Jr, Joe Calzaghe and Kovalev who in my opinion are better P4P then anyone Floyd has fought. Im not argueing who was better I believe its Floyd but I cant see how anyone can think Floyd fought better opposition

[Beanflicker]

You conveniently leave out Pavlik, who was one of the most feared fighters at the time. You also fail to mention P4P king Roy Jones Jr, Joe Calzaghe and Kovalev who in my opinion are better P4P then anyone Floyd has fought. Im not argueing who was better I believe its Floyd but I cant see how anyone can think Floyd fought better opposition

Kovalev better p4p than anyone Floyd has fought? Kovalev isn't even officially the #1 in his division right now, let alone a p4p great...

[Silkeyjoe]

You conveniently leave out Pavlik, who was one of the most feared fighters at the time. You also fail to mention P4P king Roy Jones Jr, Joe Calzaghe and Kovalev who in my opinion are better P4P then anyone Floyd has fought. Im not argueing who was better I believe its Floyd but I cant see how anyone can think Floyd fought better opposition

Kovalev better p4p than anyone Floyd has fought? Kovalev isn't even officially the #1 in his division right now, let alone a p4p great...

I didnt say he was a P4P great I just think he marks for Hopkins a better opponent then anyone Floyd has faced. Kov was likely a stone heavier than Hopkins on the night, a stellar amateur career and one of the most feared punchers. As someone mentioned earlier Hopkins fighting Kov is a similar ask to having Floyd fight GGG, a fight that I could never see Floyd taking. And I think anyone with some sense knows Kov is the best light heavyweight around

[Andre]

Legacy aside if they fought at prime and at the same weight 'imaginary I know' I recon Floyd would win even though he'd have sore balls and few cuts above the eyes he'd come out of 12 as the greater fighter.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Legacy aside if they fought at prime and at the same weight 'imaginary I know' I recon Floyd would win even though he'd have sore balls and few cuts above the eyes he'd come out of 12 as the greater fighter.

Klitschko due do size alone would probably handle Ali, doesn't make him a greater fighter, talent is only a part of what makes a fighter great, you can have all the talent in the world, but it's what you do with it that defines your legacy, who has gone above and beyond with the abilities they possess? B-Hop, there's a reason no one ever questions his run at either division, Floyd on the other hand...

[Andre]

Legacy aside if they fought at prime and at the same weight 'imaginary I know' I recon Floyd would win even though he'd have sore balls and few cuts above the eyes he'd come out of 12 as the greater fighter.

Klitschko due do size alone would probably handle Ali, doesn't make him a greater fighter, talent is only a part of what makes a fighter great, you can have all the talent in the world, but it's what you do with it that defines your legacy, who has gone above and beyond with the abilities they possess? B-Hop, there's a reason no one ever questions his run at either division, Floyd on the other hand...

True; theres two different ways to look at 'greatest fighter' put em both in the ring at the same weight in their prime see who comes out best.

Then as the title suggested by having the words 'who will be remembered' in there is the other way of looking at it;

But thats the harder road to summarize with so many variations, including totally different opponents and differing depth of talent in each weight.

Intent on ones own legacy is an interesting variant too.

[powerpuncher]

Legacy aside if they fought at prime and at the same weight 'imaginary I know' I recon Floyd would win even though he'd have sore balls and few cuts above the eyes he'd come out of 12 as the greater fighter.

Klitschko due do size alone would probably handle Ali, doesn't make him a greater fighter, talent is only a part of what makes a fighter great, you can have all the talent in the world, but it's what you do with it that defines your legacy, who has gone above and beyond with the abilities they possess? B-Hop, there's a reason no one ever questions his run at either division, Floyd on the other hand...

ali would easily beat wlad despite the size difference

[Beanflicker]

I didnt say he was a P4P great I just think he marks for Hopkins a better opponent then anyone Floyd has faced. Kov was likely a stone heavier than Hopkins on the night, a stellar amateur career and one of the most feared punchers. As someone mentioned earlier Hopkins fighting Kov is a similar ask to having Floyd fight GGG, a fight that I could never see Floyd taking. And I think anyone with some sense knows Kov is the best light heavyweight around

Yeah but Floyd has fought legit p4p greats, why does Kovalev constitute a better opponent than anyone Floyd has faced? Because he hits hard? A lot of guys hit hard. Canelo had more weight on Floyd on fight night than Kovalev had on Bhop, and Canelo was also the undisputed #1 at 154.

Also, someone please explain to me how Hopkins fighting Kovalev, a guy in the same fucking weight division as him and had 6-7 pounds on him on fight night is equal to Floyd fighting GGG, a guy who is TWO weight classes above him? Here's a tidbit: on the night of Golovkin's last fight, he weighed 173lbs. On the night of Floyd's last fight, he weighed 147. So someone please tell me how you can possibly equate those two?

Some people say the dumbest shit on these boards, man... yikes

[SlimTrae]

PBF stands to go into the history books with questioning at least the pac fight.

Hop has faced basically everyone he should've faced, win lose or draw, sooner or later.

Questioning who retired undefeated, may not matter if so..

Some may ask the question: Paul Williams & Margarito called out PBF, why didn't PBF answer?

He claimed to give a poll (for the fans to choose); Khan or Maidana (Khan won) PBF said (F) the fans...and chose who he wanted, Maidana.

Even though PBF fought Canelo when he hit 40 plus fights old...I remember PBF called out Canelo-when he was barely 25 fights old...he knew/felt their styles meshed and favored him.

Hop would even admit PBF is way more talented, but will history even care about it? Not as long as there are Floyd haters...go Haters!

[Beanflicker]

Some may ask the question: Paul Williams & Margarito called out PBF, why didn't PBF answer?

He claimed to give a poll (for the fans to choose); Khan or Maidana (Khan won) PBF said (F) the fans...and chose who he wanted, Maidana.

Even though PBF fought Canelo when he hit 40 plus fights old...I remember PBF called out Canelo-when he was barely 25 fights old...he knew/felt their styles meshed and favored him.

Yeah but there are reasons for all of those fights not happening, reasons that people forget or want to ignore.

And of course in Khan's case, he wanted the Khan fight and got skewered - and rightfully so - by boxing fans for taking an easy opponent.

[Silkeyjoe]

I didnt say he was a P4P great I just think he marks for Hopkins a better opponent then anyone Floyd has faced. Kov was likely a stone heavier than Hopkins on the night, a stellar amateur career and one of the most feared punchers. As someone mentioned earlier Hopkins fighting Kov is a similar ask to having Floyd fight GGG, a fight that I could never see Floyd taking. And I think anyone with some sense knows Kov is the best light heavyweight around

Yeah but Floyd has fought legit p4p greats, why does Kovalev constitute a better opponent than anyone Floyd has faced? Because he hits hard? A lot of guys hit hard. Canelo had more weight on Floyd on fight night than Kovalev had on Bhop, and Canelo was also the undisputed #1 at 154.

Also, someone please explain to me how Hopkins fighting Kovalev, a guy in the same fucking weight division as him and had 6-7 pounds on him on fight night is equal to Floyd fighting GGG, a guy who is TWO weight classes above him? Here's a tidbit: on the night of Golovkin's last fight, he weighed 173lbs. On the night of Floyd's last fight, he weighed 147. So someone please tell me how you can possibly equate those two?

Some people say the dumbest shit on these boards, man... yikes

who are the legit P4P greats? A past it De La Hoya? A shot Mosely? A thrice beaten Cotto? All future P4P greats but certainly not dangerous fighters at the time they fought Floyd. Ive already explained why Kov is more dangerous then anyone Floyds faced.

A. He had a stellar amateur career and is a brilliant boxing technician.

B. He is one of the hardest hitters P4P

C. He is in his prime.

D. Hes a bigger man.

Most of Floyds opponents have some of the above but I cant find any where all is applicable.

Also I didnt know there was 2 weight classes between Light middle and middleweightbut I guess Im just a forum poster who says the dumbest shit

[Beanflicker]

who are the legit P4P greats? A past it De La Hoya? A shot Mosely? A thrice beaten Cotto? All future P4P greats but certainly not dangerous fighters at the time they fought Floyd. Ive already explained why Kov is more dangerous then anyone Floyds faced.

A. He had a stellar amateur career and is a brilliant boxing technician.

B. He is one of the hardest hitters P4P

C. He is in his prime.

D. Hes a bigger man.

Most of Floyds opponents have some of the above but I cant find any where all is applicable.

Also I didnt know there was 2 weight classes between Light middle and middleweightbut I guess Im just a forum poster who says the dumbest shit

Yeah that is some pretty dumb shit.

For the record though, Mosley was #3 p4p at the time when Floyd fought him, below only Floyd himself and Pacquiao. He was also ranked, at that time, higher than he had been since losing back to back to Vernon Forrest.