Who can beat Floyd?

[ruthless rocco]

Hey Pactards. This video is worth watching.
In case you don't know, this is the man that made your fighter the KO king that he used to be when he was full of PEDs.
He has some insight into why Pacquiao/Mayweather was never made.
Spoiler: it has nothing to do with Floyd.

[Beanflicker]

I'm generally on Floyd's side, but he needs to get over the Bob Arum thing. Bob is a scumbag and it's understandable why Floyd hates him, but he needs to put that aside for the sake of boxing fans.

Not wanting to fight a guy who's juiced to the gills is understandable, but he needs to put that Arum thing aside. I'm pretty sure he will.

[mikeeod]

I'm generally on Floyd's side, but he needs to get over the Bob Arum thing. Bob is a scumbag and it's understandable why Floyd hates him, but he needs to put that aside for the sake of boxing fans.

Not wanting to fight a guy who's juiced to the gills is understandable, but he needs to put that Arum thing aside. I'm pretty sure he will.

Why do you consider Bob a scumbag? The goal of business is to make a profit. Show me a successful businessman n I will show you someone who had to bend the rules.

Do you feel Arum is as shady as King, or screwed over as many fighters as bad as Don did? Do you think Haymon is a nice man who is opposed to playing dirty? Not trying to make this contentious, just never viewed Arum as negatively as you...

[walrus]

Hey Pactards. This video is worth watching.
In case you don't know, this is the man that made your fighter the KO king that he used to be when he was full of PEDs.
He has some insight into why Pacquiao/Mayweather was never made.
Spoiler: it has nothing to do with Floyd.

Ruthless Rocco, you and Big D should get together, your minds were quite similarly.

[ruthless rocco]

ruthless rocco, you and big d should get together, your minds were quite similarly.

huh?

[ruthless rocco]

In 2012 the NSAC released documents that show that Manny had never been paid more than $8 million for any one fight in Vegas.

[walrus]

In 2012 the NSAC released documents that show that Manny had never been paid more than $8 million for any one fight in Vegas.

I know you hate Manny but what's your point with that one.

[ruthless rocco]

In 2012 the NSAC released documents that show that Manny had never been paid more than $8 million for any one fight in Vegas.

I know you hate Manny but what's your point with that one.

I don't hate Manny. He's great!

Many of his fans are stupid, but we can't blame him for that.

My point is Manny has been mismanaged and ripped off for years.

[walrus]

In 2012 the NSAC released documents that show that Manny had never been paid more than $8 million for any one fight in Vegas.

I know you hate Manny but what's your point with that one.

I don't hate Manny. He's great!

Many of his fans are stupid, but we can't blame him for that.

My point is Manny has been mismanaged and ripped off for years.

Alright, I see your point. Do you happen to know hid biggest payday, sounds like you've looked into it. I don't know what his biggest check was. My guess would be a jmm fight. HMM said he turned down twenty million to fight Manny in China, Bradley also turned down a China fight but I didn't hear amounts

[Beanflicker]

Why do you consider Bob a scumbag? The goal of business is to make a profit. Show me a successful businessman n I will show you someone who had to bend the rules.

Do you feel Arum is as shady as King, or screwed over as many fighters as bad as Don did? Do you think Haymon is a nice man who is opposed to playing dirty? Not trying to make this contentious, just never viewed Arum as negatively as you...

Arum is garbage. There's a difference between being a shrewd businessman, and being a crook. Arum is a crook. Corruption, bribing sanctioning officials, money laundering, stealing from fighters (Pacquiao), alleged fight fixing, pathological liar... the guy's a scumbag. Another asshole who just took took took, grabbed every penny with no thought of giving back and trying to grow the sport. It's because of guys like him and King that boxing is a shell of it's former self IMO. I don't know how anybody who respects boxing could not hate a guy like Arum.

Do I think Al Haymon is straight as an arrow? Probably not, I heard he's tricky with his contracts and tends to wrap guys up, but from all accounts he makes the most money for the boxers. I've never heard of any fighters suing Al Haymon or having to bring a third party company in to investigate him to see if he was stealing money from them (like Pac did with Arum).

[InTheNeutralCorner]

You discredited my argument? How?

Obviously beating Pac won't "take Pac away from Arum", like you claim. Pacquiaos lost before, a handful of times and he's still with him. He got KTFO by JMM. He looked like he was dead. The guy sitting nearest ring side reached out because he thought Manny's head was gonna roll off his shoulders and land in his lap! (Maybe you missed that fight moron?)

How stupid you must be to think that ANOTHER loss is going to make a difference. You Pactards just type some made up shit and think it's the truth just like Manny believes all Bob's lies. You've found the perfect idol in Pacquiao.

You still have not answered the question. You were implying that Floyd does not want to fight Manny because he hates Bob Arum. Didn't Floyd agree to fight Manny before when Manny was already under Arum? So that excuse is discredited. So why doesn't Floyd want to fight Manny now when he is still at a huge advantage?

Resorting to name calling and trying to discredit the poster does not compensate for your lack of a valid response. Try again.

I don't think that discredits my answer.

I'm going on what Floyd has stated in the past. He won't fight unless his conditions are met. His conditions were drug testing and no Bob Arum.

I've heard that being said for years. I don't know what else to tell you little Pactard.

'No Bob Arum' is not one of Floyd's demands when the initial negotiation for the fight took place a few years ago. You coming up with this puts a bad light on Mayweather because this tends to imply that he really is not interested in the fight. Manny is under contract with Bob Arum and there is no way around this. That single demand would have killed the fight so why the need for the other demands. Not unless you have a link that you can show us, get your fact straight.

You should not always believe what you hear. Sometimes, you'll have to verify it from a reliable source.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Hey Pactards. This video is worth watching.
In case you don't know, this is the man that made your fighter the KO king that he used to be when he was full of PEDs.
He has some insight into why Pacquiao/Mayweather was never made.
Spoiler: it has nothing to do with Floyd.

The gist of this video is that Floyd and Manny wants the fight and the fault lies with Bob Arum. I have no argument with this and I also believe that Bob is a scumbag. I was not in favor of Manny re-signing with him.
You described that person in the video as "the man that made your fighter the KO king that he used to be when he was full of PEDs". You post a video and come up with an accusation that isn't even in the video. Your implication is that since Ariza left, Manny hasn't been getting the PEDs anymore hence has not been knocking out opponents. Manny isn't as impressive as he was before. We now go back to the very question that started our exchange of comments. Why hasn't Floyd accepted the recent challenge of Manny? Even Bob Arum had called him out. If Bob is the reason that the fight did not materialize, can't Floyd at least accept the challenge to call Bob's bluff?

[ruthless rocco]

'No Bob Arum' is not one of Floyd's demands when the initial negotiation for the fight took place a few years ago. You coming up with this puts a bad light on Mayweather because this tends to imply that he really is not interested in the fight. Manny is under contract with Bob Arum and there is no way around this. That single demand would have killed the fight so why the need for the other demands. Not unless you have a link that you can show us, get your fact straight.

You should not always believe what you hear. Sometimes, you'll have to verify it from a reliable source.

From the very detailed Wikipedia entry on the fight: The Telegraph reported on December 20, 2013, that Mayweather said Pacquiao’s association with promoter Bob Arum is the reason why the bout will not happen. "We all know the Pacquiao fight, at this particular time, will never happen, and the reason why the fight won't happen is because I will never do business with Bob Arum again in life, and Pacquiao is Bob Arum's fighter," Mayweather said.

If you read the entire Wikipedia entry on the details of the fight negotiations, you'll see that Arum lied about negotiations on a number of occasions. He claimed he had been in talks with people that he hadn't been in talks with. He seems to lie all the time. No one would know this better than Floyd, who had him as a promoter for 10 years. Arum still owes Floyd millions of dollars for the Gatti and Judah fights. I assume Floyd got tired of Arum's constant lying and bullshitting to reporters and the general public and decided that he would never do business with the man again. That's his right. He doesn't need Arum to be the highest paid athlete in the world.

[ruthless rocco]

Hey Pactards. This video is worth watching.
In case you don't know, this is the man that made your fighter the KO king that he used to be when he was full of PEDs.
He has some insight into why Pacquiao/Mayweather was never made.
Spoiler: it has nothing to do with Floyd.

The gist of this video is that Floyd and Manny wants the fight and the fault lies with Bob Arum. I have no argument with this and I also believe that Bob is a scumbag. I was not in favor of Manny re-signing with him.
You described that person in the video as "the man that made your fighter the KO king that he used to be when he was full of PEDs". You post a video and come up with an accusation that isn't even in the video. Your implication is that since Ariza left, Manny hasn't been getting the PEDs anymore hence has not been knocking out opponents. Manny isn't as impressive as he was before. We now go back to the very question that started our exchange of comments. Why hasn't Floyd accepted the recent challenge of Manny? Even Bob Arum had called him out. If Bob is the reason that the fight did not materialize, can't Floyd at least accept the challenge to call Bob's bluff?

I'm not implying that the reason that Manny hasn't KO'd anyone is because Ariza isn't giving him PEDs. Never said that. If anyone's suggested that Ariza had been supplying Manny with Peds it's his longtime trainer Freddy Roach. (Do I have to provide a link to substantiate that claim?) I'm just informing you little Pactards who Ariza is and how well he knows Manny.

Now back to the very question that started our exchange of comments: Why hasn't Floyd accepted the recent challenge of Manny? I'm not the one to ask. I'm not Floyd Mayweather Jr. Pactard.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

From the very detailed Wikipedia entry on the fight: The Telegraph reported on December 20, 2013, that Mayweather said Pacquiao’s association with promoter Bob Arum is the reason why the bout will not happen. "We all know the Pacquiao fight, at this particular time, will never happen, and the reason why the fight won't happen is because I will never do business with Bob Arum again in life, and Pacquiao is Bob Arum's fighter," Mayweather said.

If you read the entire Wikipedia entry on the details of the fight negotiations, you'll see that Arum lied about negotiations on a number of occasions. He claimed he had been in talks with people that he hadn't been in talks with. He seems to lie all the time. No one would know this better than Floyd, who had him as a promoter for 10 years. Arum still owes Floyd millions of dollars for the Gatti and Judah fights. I assume Floyd got tired of Arum's constant lying and bullshitting to reporters and the general public and decided that he would never do business with the man again. That's his right. He doesn't need Arum to be the highest paid athlete in the world.

Come on, who uses Wikipedia as a reliable source of information. And if Floyd did say this, you are giving too much credibility to it. If it is to be believed that Mayweather isn't going to do business with Arum again in life, then how come that negotiation took several months. Manny has always been with Arum all those times. The negotiation should not even have started since Manny is with Arum. But that didn't happen, did it?