David Haye discusses next move with Vitali Klitschko over breakfast

[Andre]

How many you want? Just one? Tyson; but you'll have to add harder hitting more flexible and ambidextrous to your list as well.

[ross]

How many you want? Just one? Tyson; but you'll have to add harder hitting more flexible and ambidextrous to your list as well.

Don't forget takes a better punch and beat 3 defending champions, the lineal champ, defended the unified belts 6 times as the undisputed champ (not done since).

Hayes heavyweight run while ok as he did win a belt does nothing in all time standings and if he is so great in such a poor division he should be up there but the fold hard reality is he has really achieved fuck all at heavy. How many fighters over the last 20 years can say they won a heavyweight title? Loads!!

[Max Power]

How many you want? Just one? Tyson; but you'll have to add harder hitting more flexible and ambidextrous to your list as well.

Don't forget takes a better punch and beat 3 defending champions, the lineal champ, defended the unified belts 6 times as the undisputed champ (not done since).

Hayes heavyweight run while ok as he did win a belt does nothing in all time standings and if he is so great in such a poor division he should be up there but the fold hard reality is he has really achieved fuck all at heavy. How many fighters over the last 20 years can say they won a heavyweight title? Loads!!

I agree with your post in full ross.

Like I said, Tyson has other features I wasn't considering. And yes, I don't MEAN to overrate Haye's achievements. But I will acknowledge them for what they are.

A problem on all these forums, is that you can either SLAM a boxers achievements or totally exaggerate it. But if you try to take the middle road and look at them objectively, you get scalded from both sides of the fence!

[Andre]

Well thank God for that.
I thought Id slept through Christmas and woke up on Aprils fools day for a second there.

[nuggetdotcom]

How many you want? Just one? Tyson; but you'll have to add harder hitting more flexible and ambidextrous to your list as well.

Don't forget takes a better punch and beat 3 defending champions, the lineal champ, defended the unified belts 6 times as the undisputed champ (not done since).

Hayes heavyweight run while ok as he did win a belt does nothing in all time standings and if he is so great in such a poor division he should be up there but the fold hard reality is he has really achieved fuck all at heavy. How many fighters over the last 20 years can say they won a heavyweight title? Loads!!

Joe Bugner?

[ross]

Haye fans live in a dream world where Haye is an active current boxer who goes through with fights

Wake up!

[Max Power]

Haye fans live in a dream world where Haye is an active current boxer who goes through with fights

Wake up!

I don't specifically consider myself a Haye fan, more a fan of great boxing.

Haye is not currently an active boxer, until he fights again, nobody can claim that. The claim is that, given his shoulder holds up, if he came back odds are he could still produce.

Haye is now notorious for pulling out of fights, true. Injuries are the usual case as is evidenced. You could say Haye is injury prone. Considering Haye uses weights and is a high agile and athletic fighter, it should come as no surprise.

[Andre]

Haye fans live in a dream world where Haye is an active current boxer who goes through with fights

Wake up!

I don't specifically consider myself a Haye fan, more a fan of great boxing.

If thats true, you need to watch more from the lesser weights and leave this plodding easy to watch grab and shuffle shit to the general public who can only in see in a certain speed.

Not many heavys just go at it hammer and tong like the top lesser weights do, you may get a round or so out of some ,but nothing like the good old days of out to kill and cat mouse boxing that did exist once in the weight.

Its nearly on par with watching golf , cant see the attraction myself.

[Max Power]

Haye fans live in a dream world where Haye is an active current boxer who goes through with fights

Wake up!

I don't specifically consider myself a Haye fan, more a fan of great boxing.

If thats true, you need to watch more from the lesser weights and leave this plodding easy to watch grab and shuffle shit to the general public who can only in see in a certain speed.

Not many heavys just go at it hammer and tong like the top lesser weights do, you may get a round or so out of some ,but nothing like the good old days of out to kill and cat mouse boxing that did exist once in the weight.

Its nearly on par with watching golf , cant see the attraction myself.

Basically you have just admitted that Heavyweight boxing is a more cautious and more defence aware endeavour now and that previous HW division were punch bags mainly.

Harder punches, make for higher tension.

I do like lower weight boxing as well. But nothing quite holds the same suspense as HW boxing. You can almost FEEL the punches, and something dramatic can happen at any moment.

[AdamGB]

Haye fans live in a dream world where Haye is an active current boxer who goes through with fights

Wake up!

The irony of a Fury fanboy telling people to wake up...

[ross]

Haye fans live in a dream world where Haye is an active current boxer who goes through with fights

Wake up!

The irony of a Fury fanboy telling people to wake up...

If it wasn't for Haye, Tyson would have faced Pulev. I think he would have beaten him and then potentially have faced Wlad. If you think Pulev would have beaten Tyson you only have Haye to blame for agreeing to fight him.

[Dark Lord Al]

Haye fans live in a dream world where Haye is an active current boxer who goes through with fights

Wake up!

The irony of a Fury fanboy telling people to wake up...

If it wasn't for Haye, Tyson would have faced Pulev. I think he would have beaten him and then potentially have faced Wlad. If you think Pulev would have beaten Tyson you only have Haye to blame for agreeing to fight him.

Ross you based a lot of you arguments on what " you think would have happened " , when in actual fact none of it has.
Yes Haye is a cunt but just because people don't agree with you on fury doesn't make them Haye fans.

[AdamGB]

Haye fans live in a dream world where Haye is an active current boxer who goes through with fights

Wake up!

The irony of a Fury fanboy telling people to wake up...

If it wasn't for Haye, Tyson would have faced Pulev. I think he would have beaten him and then potentially have faced Wlad. If you think Pulev would have beaten Tyson you only have Haye to blame for agreeing to fight him.

It's Haye's fault that Fury hasn't ever fought a big heavyweight of any merit.

[Max Power]

How many you want? Just one? Tyson; but you'll have to add harder hitting more flexible and ambidextrous to your list as well.

Tyson was a very fast HW and comparable to Haye.

He is not faster though. But probably one of the closest.

Other choices would be Chris Byrd and Eddie Chambers, but they are featherfists.

You are right that Tyson combined other features more desirable that Haye doesn't have, but I wasn't considering other features.