Gene Tunney is not an all time great HW

[Max Power]

A million was crazy cash back then you could probably spit in the president's face and get away with it with that kind of dough.

But with all that money to be made, it's just a shame punks like Tunney never gave black fighters a chance to earn a decent living.

In the end he probably made the right choice though, because if him and Dempsey had regularly fought the black fighters of the time, I doubt we'd be talking about them.

Stanley Ketchel fought black fighters, so did Greb, Pep, Lamotta, Marciano, ect. So no, I don't take guys like Tunney or Jack Dempsey seriously.

On this forum I see guys like "Oh if only we had Dempsey or Tunney here today, they'd clean up the HW division." Bull shit. Never mind Wlad, do you think those guys would be up for fighting a 6'8'' black guy with a 100% KO ratio? Or a 6'3'', 240lb black guy like Stiverne?

If you could go back in a time machine and bring prime Dempsey and Tunney to the present, they'd be terrified to get in the ring, and that's a fact. Neither of them would break the top 10.

LOL "Punks like Tunney", I like your style.

Yes everybody intuitively knows that Stiv and Wilder would knock any of those guys out with the first connected, off centre jab LOL.

I don't think Tunney or Dempsey could really have made an impact on the light HW division today, they don't have all around skills.

I think Kovalev would have knocked them out and the Andre Ward of a few years back clowned them.

[Beanflicker]

LOL "Punks like Tunney", I like your style.

Yes everybody intuitively knows that Stiv and Wilder would knock any of those guys out with the first connected, off centre jab LOL.

I don't think Tunney or Dempsey could really have made an impact on the light HW division today, they don't have all around skills.

I think Kovalev would have knocked them out and the Andre Ward of a few years back clowned them.

When I was a boxing n00b and was ranting a raving about Tyson, all the old timer so called boxing experts would say "Pshhh, if you think Tyson could punch, you need to watch Dempsey vs Willard. Then watch Earnie Shavers. Those guys hit ten times harder than Tyson".

It didn't take long to realize that most of these so called experts just have a hard on for old dudes and these guys were overrated.

Dempsey looked like a fucking amateur throwing those wild haymakers at a Willard, who I am convinced had Down Syndrome or some shit. Dempsey sucked and Earnie Shavers sucked even harder (I know Shavers wasn't mentioned in this thread but fuck him anyway).

Dempsey was a punk, he pimped out his prostitute wife, dodged the war (like he dodged black fighters), and people want to ooh and ahh over his shovel hook. Yeesh.

[Max Power]

LOL "Punks like Tunney", I like your style.

Yes everybody intuitively knows that Stiv and Wilder would knock any of those guys out with the first connected, off centre jab LOL.

I don't think Tunney or Dempsey could really have made an impact on the light HW division today, they don't have all around skills.

I think Kovalev would have knocked them out and the Andre Ward of a few years back clowned them.

When I was a boxing n00b and was ranting a raving about Tyson, all the old timer so called boxing experts would say "Pshhh, if you think Tyson could punch, you need to watch Dempsey vs Willard. Then watch Earnie Shavers. Those guys hit ten times harder than Tyson".

It didn't take long to realize that most of these so called experts just have a hard on for old dudes and these guys were overrated.

Dempsey looked like a fucking amateur throwing those wild haymakers at a Willard, who I am convinced had Down Syndrome or some shit. Dempsey sucked and Earnie Shavers sucked even harder (I know Shavers wasn't mentioned in this thread but fuck him anyway).

Dempsey was a punk, he pimped out his prostitute wife, dodged the war (like he dodged black fighters), and people want to ooh and ahh over his shovel hook. Yeesh.

Haha brilliant, every word, Dempsey, Shaver the lot!

Yes, I also grew up with Tyson and when all the oldies told me about prior boxers being greater, I thought to myself fuck, they must have been absolutely unreal!

It was many years later that I actually got a chance to watch them and to say that I was grossly misinformed is a mild understatement to say the least.

Personally I find most of those old fights unwatchable for any but educational purposes.

[Master]

Will you two girls get a room and stop making this stuff up.

Dempsey and Tunney champions in their time.

Golden era of boxing in terms of mainstream appeal in the Us.

[Bill Paxtom]

Gene Tunney

"I'm smart first, and a boxer second."

[Beanflicker]

Will you two girls get a room and stop making this stuff up.

Dempsey and Tunney champions in their time.

Golden era of boxing in terms of mainstream appeal in the Us.

What am I making up, ya'll need to read "A Flame of Pure Fire", which is a pro-Dempsey book but outlines a lot of the stupid shit he was up to.

It's fine to like those old times, everyone was wearing a suit and a top hat, cool whatever, but you have to acknowledge the fact that these punks belonged to the "Boy's Club" at the time which feasted on bums and conveniently excluded black fighters.

[Master]

I was on about Max saying Kov would knock Dempsey and Tunney out and Ward beating them as well.

[Beanflicker]

I was on about Max saying Kov would knock Dempsey and Tunney out and Ward beating them as well.

He's 100% right. Ward is twice the fighter either of those guys were. Tunney got whipped and given hell a few times by a middleweight, I don't see why Ward couldn't do the same thing.

And Kov is a better puncher than Dempsey was.

[Max Power]

I was on about Max saying Kov would knock Dempsey and Tunney out and Ward beating them as well.

On what grounds do you think an in form Ward could not outbox those guys?

On what grounds do you think those guys could survive a fight with Kovalev?