Manny & Floyds run of opponents...wow

[Fenster]

That's why in the future Pac will be seen as the greater fighter. In the end, boxing aficionados wont be looking at money generated or PPV figures, they'll just be judged by who they fought.

Unless Floyd actually faces - and beats - Pac. Then it all changes, of course.

[imp]

That's why in the future Pac will be seen as the greater fighter. In the end, boxing aficionados wont be looking at money generated or PPV figures, they'll just be judged by who they fought.

Unless Floyd actually faces - and beats - Pac. Then it all changes, of course.

Better fighter - pac

Better boxer - floyd

Does a better fighter beat a better boxer?...let history determine that answer.

[chris6878]

That's why in the future Pac will be seen as the greater fighter. In the end, boxing aficionados wont be looking at money generated or PPV figures, they'll just be judged by who they fought.

Unless Floyd actually faces - and beats - Pac. Then it all changes, of course.

Better fighter - pac

Better boxer - floyd

Does a better fighter beat a better boxer?...let history determine that answer.

First time you said something reasonable, without hugging nuts. Good shit!

[imp]

That's why in the future Pac will be seen as the greater fighter. In the end, boxing aficionados wont be looking at money generated or PPV figures, they'll just be judged by who they fought.

Unless Floyd actually faces - and beats - Pac. Then it all changes, of course.

Better fighter - pac

Better boxer - floyd

Does a better fighter beat a better boxer?...let history determine that answer.

First time you said something reasonable, without hugging nuts. Good shit!

Lol.

Chris, the only nuts i hug are my own son.

I said it before and ill say it again..my respect and admiration of floyd mayweather starts and ends in the ring.

If course you have to admire his business mind and I wish that pac would have went the same way but its not going to happen so I can only side with the truth from the information that is exposed.

[Beanflicker]

Floyd's run began in '98 when he beat up Genaro Hernandez and it's been going on ever since. Manny, as great as he is and as fantastic a career as he has had, has lost in every "timeframe" of his career: early, middle and "prime".

Roach and Pac cherry-picked as much as Floyd. After Manny beat the shit out of DLH, Roach admitted that they fought him because Roach had been watching DLH and saw that Oscar couldn't "pull the trigger" anymore and was essentially washed up. And really, if you truly examine both resumes in an unbiased manner, keeping in mind the context and timing of each win... there really isn't a whole lot of difference. Both guys fought and beat the shit out of a lot of tough, world class opposition.

Manny is a legit beast and ATG, but Floyd was the better fighter. He was more skilled, he was a smarter fighter and he had the ability to figure guys out and switch gears. If Floyd had a tough first 6 rounds, he adjusted and won the last 6. If he had a tough fight with a guy, in the rematch it wouldn't even be competitive. Manny never had that second and third gear, and he never could figure JMM out.

[SlimTrae]

Floyd's run began in '98 when he beat up Genaro Hernandez and it's been going on ever since. Manny, as great as he is and as fantastic a career as he has had, has lost in every "timeframe" of his career: early, middle and "prime".

Roach and Pac cherry-picked as much as Floyd. After Manny beat the shit out of DLH, Roach admitted that they fought him because Roach had been watching DLH and saw that Oscar couldn't "pull the trigger" anymore and was essentially washed up. And really, if you truly examine both resumes in an unbiased manner, keeping in mind the context and timing of each win... there really isn't a whole lot of difference. Both guys fought and beat the shit out of a lot of tough, world class opposition.

Manny is a legit beast and ATG, but Floyd was the better fighter. He was more skilled, he was a smarter fighter and he had the ability to figure guys out and switch gears. If Floyd had a tough first 6 rounds, he adjusted and won the last 6. If he had a tough fight with a guy, in the rematch it wouldn't even be competitive. Manny never had that second and third gear, and he never could figure JMM out.

True.

[imp]

Floyd's run began in '98 when he beat up Genaro Hernandez and it's been going on ever since. Manny, as great as he is and as fantastic a career as he has had, has lost in every "timeframe" of his career: early, middle and "prime".

Roach and Pac cherry-picked as much as Floyd. After Manny beat the shit out of DLH, Roach admitted that they fought him because Roach had been watching DLH and saw that Oscar couldn't "pull the trigger" anymore and was essentially washed up. And really, if you truly examine both resumes in an unbiased manner, keeping in mind the context and timing of each win... there really isn't a whole lot of difference. Both guys fought and beat the shit out of a lot of tough, world class opposition.

Manny is a legit beast and ATG, but Floyd was the better fighter. He was more skilled, he was a smarter fighter and he had the ability to figure guys out and switch gears. If Floyd had a tough first 6 rounds, he adjusted and won the last 6. If he had a tough fight with a guy, in the rematch it wouldn't even be competitive. Manny never had that second and third gear, and he never could figure JMM out.

True.

It is very true but a post like that will fade away or be overlooked as the majority don't want to believe that.

Let's be honest..its better for bob and his army to not have the fight so they can finish their respective careers and bob can always say in years to come "woulda coulda shoulda".

Another loss for pac from mayweather would have a huuuuge effect on bob arum mentally, physically and financially even though he's minted.

Do you really think a 90 yr old bob arum wants his former pound for pound fighter beating his current pound for pound fighter?

Its about pride and power.

[Tam Seddon]

Roach: Without Pacquiao, Mayweather's Legacy is Ruined - Boxing News

[AdamGB]

In the end, boxing aficionados wont be looking at money generated or PPV figures, they'll just be judged by who they fought.

Most of the time anyway...

[oakleyno1]

The run from De La Hoya to Clotty for me is where Pac is so so impressive

I know there are various excuses (i.e. de la hoya washed up) but heres what i expected for each fight:

De La Hoya:
Expectation: De La Hoya Win - Much bigger, SD vs Flloyd 1.5 years earlier
Result: Pac TKO 8 - Stopped him earlier than anyone ever had before (Hopkins 9)

Hatton:
Expectation: 50-50 I thought it would be a firecracker
Result: KO 2 - Wow.

Cotto:
Expectation: I thought Pac would win this but again via an absoulute war (not sure what the odds on this fight were)
Result: Total one sided 12th round stoppage (great fight though!) - not even like the Margarito fight where Cotto was ever ahead on the cards etc

Clotty:
Expectation: Clotty would lose a reasonably close UD like he did in his other big fights i.e vs Margarito
Result: One sided domination - Clotty is a top quality operator and no one has ever beaten him that easily

Now of course Mayweather would have been the favourite for all of these fights which doesn't make his victories vs Hatton De La Hoya etc any less good but the manner Pac dispatched these 4 in makes me think if they fought at this time that he would be 50-50 to have beaten Floyd - watch the fights he's simply outstanding.

[Master]

The opponents were impressive but they have tailed off a bit from the high standards they had set.

[AdamGB]

ODLH was like a corpse when Pac fought him. 143lb and had to rehydrate with an intravenous drip...

[Master]

ODLH was like a corpse when Pac fought him. 143lb and had to rehydrate with an intravenous drip...

Oscar was dumb enough to offer to go down to that weight because he did not want to look like a bully.

[Beanflicker]

watch the fights he's simply outstanding.

Not only is Pac one of the greatest boxers of all time, he's also one of the top action, bang for your buck fighters. I love the little fella truth be told. I just think he gets a pass on a lot of things that people would and do hold Floyd to the fire for because he's a more likeable guy.

[brucelee]

That's why in the future Pac will be seen as the greater fighter. In the end, boxing aficionados wont be looking at money generated or PPV figures, they'll just be judged by who they fought.

Unless Floyd actually faces - and beats - Pac. Then it all changes, of course.

Well said.