Reverse Engineering Archie Moore and his "Lock" System

[WayneFlint]

Good post jms, i agree with what your saying about MMA aswell the variation in weapons just makes it much harder to narrow somebody down, it makes for training dumb fighters. A system is not possible like in boxing were you can build a system, strategy use defensive manouvers that cover a vatiety of punches rather than just 1, wenever you move you load perfect shots, dont just move to where your going, knowing that boxing is an unpredictable thing at times, but also knowing the lack of weapons makes it a controllable environment and more like a chess game than the randomness that can be other combat sports.

Thats what boxing is. You obviously dont understand the difference between boxing somebody and havin a war in the trenches, youve never boxed before dont take the piss.

if you do know Freddy Roach BCBUD which obviously you dont. you would have heared him say many times over that luck should never be involved in boxing, ask him what he means
If a lot of coaches took that saying to heart then we would see better standards being trained today.

[BCBUD]

Good post jms, i agree with what your saying about MMA aswell the variation in weapons just makes it much harder to narrow somebody down, it makes for training dumb fighters. A system is not possible like in boxing were you can build a system, strategy use defensive manouvers that cover a vatiety of punches rather than just 1, wenever you move you load perfect shots, dont just move to where your going, knowing that boxing is an unpredictable thing at times, but also knowing the lack of weapons makes it a controllable environment and more like a chess game than the randomness that can be other combat sports.

Thats what boxing is. You obviously dont understand the difference between boxing somebody and havin a war in the trenches, youve never boxed before dont take the piss.

if you do know Freddy Roach BCBUD which obviously you dont. you would have heared him say many times over that luck should never be involved in boxing, ask him what he means
If a lot of coaches took that saying to heart then we would see better standards being trained today.

Freddie Roach told me that you can teach a fighter something new only to have him revert inside the ring. Tru dat.

[jms]

Good post jms, i agree with what your saying about MMA aswell the variation in weapons just makes it much harder to narrow somebody down, it makes for training dumb fighters. A system is not possible like in boxing were you can build a system, strategy use defensive manouvers that cover a vatiety of punches rather than just 1, wenever you move you load perfect shots, dont just move to where your going, knowing that boxing is an unpredictable thing at times, but also knowing the lack of weapons makes it a controllable environment and more like a chess game than the randomness that can be other combat sports.

Thats what boxing is. You obviously dont understand the difference between boxing somebody and havin a war in the trenches, youve never boxed before dont take the piss.

if you do know Freddy Roach BCBUD which obviously you dont. you would have heared him say many times over that luck should never be involved in boxing, ask him what he means
If a lot of coaches took that saying to heart then we would see better standards being trained today.

Freddie Roach told me that you can teach a fighter something new only to have him revert inside the ring. Tru dat.

No shit you can't apply every new thing you learn immediately. Are you telling me Roach thinks you can't teach someone anything new? Just man up, admit you're wrong and move on.

[WayneFlint]

BCbud its obvious you aint never spoken to Freddie Roach stop talkin shit youve been called out and exposed. Dont bother posting any more of your opinions unless it accompanys a video of you boxing/proof youve been in a gym/full name so you can clear your name.

[BCBUD]

BCbud its obvious you aint never spoken to Freddie Roach stop talkin shit youve been called out and exposed. Dont bother posting any more of your opinions unless it accompanys a video of you boxing/proof youve been in a gym/full name so you can clear your name.

I have spoken with Freddie Roach, look Wayne again I'm going to show everyone how easy it is to beat your "system". Freddie says the best punches are six inches away from the target. It's hard to see a punch that originates from six inches away believe me I've been caught before.
Now you throw long jabs, and left hooks that you fall backwards unto left leg.
This how I'd fight you. In your stance put the right glove on the left chin! Now catch the jab! Now place the right hand on the right cheek turning to the left blocking the falling backwards Unto the right leg left hook. Now with the left foot step out to the left getting closer to the target. Now attach the right glove to the right cheek and throw the short left hook pushing off the front foot. Now left hook to the body and back up again (lever punching).
Unfortunately this is easier said than done against short punches.

[BCBUD]

Wayne are you British? Omg it's true we used too hear stories about the British boxers standing upright perpendicular. We thought that this was mere folklore.Sorry but I think our differences maybe cultural where I'm from most of the coaches are Irish there's huge difference in styles believe me. Look at Freddie Roach and Kenny Weldon, Teddy Atlas, Kevin Rooney I myself am Irish. In Irish boxing the technique is to put your head over the left knee this is after stepping out but where in British boxing both feet move at the same time with Roach and Weldon it's one foot at a time this enables you to get low enough to get the head over the knee it's almost bowing. I'd encourage you to look into this further even the punches are different when punching with your head over the knee. Study the Kenny Weldon tapes even better Freddie Roach. Sincerist apologies I meant no offence. Merry Christmas

[BCBUD]

For all you in the U.K who need advanced training on how to put your head over the left knee go to Scrap an expert on Charley Burley get some training preferably 1-1 with him. the difference between Roach,Kenny and Burley has to do with the positioning of the feet. Weldon is horizontal in positioning of the head so is Roach.

[jms]

You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

[BCBUD]

You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WgEyQhz4B68 Irish inside boxing omg watch this through then watch over all of Kenny Weldon's inside fighting and all of Roach's I've spent many summers at Kenny's gym a lot of us passed through there at one time. Top Irish fighters that I met there were 1. Tex Cobb 2. Tommy Morrison. 3. I worked with Termite Watkins personally until Weldon broke his neck than I went Roach. Believe me Irish inside boxing is no urban legend.

[jms]

You're just making shit up. I'll be damned if you're a day over 16 and have thrown a single punch in your life.

[BCBUD]

You're just making shit up. I'll be damned if you're a day over 16 and have thrown a single punch in your life.

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[BCBUD]

This is my final post in saddoboxing.com it's not my style of fighting. In conclusion you can jab at me all you want but if that jab doesn't stop me. I'll take it and throw a right hand over the top bomb squad.

[jms]

This is my final post in saddoboxing.com it's not my style of fighting. In conclusion you can jab at me all you want but if that jab doesn't stop me. I'll take it and throw a right hand over the top bomb squad.

Have you ever sparred someone who actually knows how to jab? If you did you'd know a jab can stop you in your tracks, but the real concern is what's coming after it.

[jms]

Good post jms, i agree with what your saying about MMA aswell the variation in weapons just makes it much harder to narrow somebody down, it makes for training dumb fighters. A system is not possible like in boxing were you can build a system, strategy use defensive manouvers that cover a vatiety of punches rather than just 1, wenever you move you load perfect shots, dont just move to where your going, knowing that boxing is an unpredictable thing at times, but also knowing the lack of weapons makes it a controllable environment and more like a chess game than the randomness that can be other combat sports.

Thats what boxing is. You obviously dont understand the difference between boxing somebody and havin a war in the trenches, youve never boxed before dont take the piss.

if you do know Freddy Roach BCBUD which obviously you dont. you would have heared him say many times over that luck should never be involved in boxing, ask him what he means
If a lot of coaches took that saying to heart then we would see better standards being trained today.

I'm of the opinion that boxing fundamentals are MMA fundamentals. A lot of people disagree with me on that, but the more I understand boxing the better my MMA gets. But when I say fundamentals I mean the real fundamentals--distance, positioning, balance, timing, rhythm, angles. A lot of people box and don't train those things. They have shitty stances with their legs too wide, their feet pointed in all the wrong directions, their posture terrible, their head forward, elbows out of position. When they move around the stance gets even worse. They start crossing feet, bringing the feet together and standing straight up, squaring up, etc. They rely on gloves to do their defense for them instead of using vision, distance and angles. They don't punch with their feet under them, but nobody corrects them because they can tap the pads pretty fast and know how to keep their hands up. Then these guys go into MMA and saying boxing doesn't work there...and I'm like shitty boxing doesn't work no. Maybe if you learned how to REALLY box then you would see how it opens the door to everything on the feet, including kicks and wrestling.

Take for example something as simple as slipping a right straight so it goes over your right shoulder. Doing this opens up so much in MMA. You can left uppercut or hook to the head or body, you can throw a right hand at the same time you're making that slip, you can pivot real fast and push them back from that angle, you can adjust the lead foot out slightly and make it a counter right kick (usually to the leg), you can push off the lead foot and drive into them for an easy double leg take down, you can thread your right hand over their head (think right forearm on their right ear) and your left hand meeting it after going under their right arm which will let you pull them into a knee, etc. There are so many options to suit any fighter as long as they can perform that basic move with the fundamentals in place so that they're balance and in position to do anything. But people don't do it because they never learn how to do it right. Instead they always pull away from the right hand, which leaves them in the path of it if the opponent lunges in but more importantly makes it very easy to take them down or kick their legs out.

I went on a rant there but the idea is that good boxing lets you do everything on the feet in MMA. But these MMA fighters learn how to box in MMA gyms, then by the time they get to the top where there are actually some real boxing coaches around they've already been built on a shaky foundation. And trying to improve that is a fight against the man's ego and comfort, it's often too late.