Quote Originally Posted by WayneFlint View Post
Good post jms, i agree with what your saying about MMA aswell the variation in weapons just makes it much harder to narrow somebody down, it makes for training dumb fighters. A system is not possible like in boxing were you can build a system, strategy use defensive manouvers that cover a vatiety of punches rather than just 1, wenever you move you load perfect shots, dont just move to where your going, knowing that boxing is an unpredictable thing at times, but also knowing the lack of weapons makes it a controllable environment and more like a chess game than the randomness that can be other combat sports.

Thats what boxing is. You obviously dont understand the difference between boxing somebody and havin a war in the trenches, youve never boxed before dont take the piss.

if you do know Freddy Roach BCBUD which obviously you dont. you would have heared him say many times over that luck should never be involved in boxing, ask him what he means
If a lot of coaches took that saying to heart then we would see better standards being trained today.
I'm of the opinion that boxing fundamentals are MMA fundamentals. A lot of people disagree with me on that, but the more I understand boxing the better my MMA gets. But when I say fundamentals I mean the real fundamentals--distance, positioning, balance, timing, rhythm, angles. A lot of people box and don't train those things. They have shitty stances with their legs too wide, their feet pointed in all the wrong directions, their posture terrible, their head forward, elbows out of position. When they move around the stance gets even worse. They start crossing feet, bringing the feet together and standing straight up, squaring up, etc. They rely on gloves to do their defense for them instead of using vision, distance and angles. They don't punch with their feet under them, but nobody corrects them because they can tap the pads pretty fast and know how to keep their hands up. Then these guys go into MMA and saying boxing doesn't work there...and I'm like shitty boxing doesn't work no. Maybe if you learned how to REALLY box then you would see how it opens the door to everything on the feet, including kicks and wrestling.

Take for example something as simple as slipping a right straight so it goes over your right shoulder. Doing this opens up so much in MMA. You can left uppercut or hook to the head or body, you can throw a right hand at the same time you're making that slip, you can pivot real fast and push them back from that angle, you can adjust the lead foot out slightly and make it a counter right kick (usually to the leg), you can push off the lead foot and drive into them for an easy double leg take down, you can thread your right hand over their head (think right forearm on their right ear) and your left hand meeting it after going under their right arm which will let you pull them into a knee, etc. There are so many options to suit any fighter as long as they can perform that basic move with the fundamentals in place so that they're balance and in position to do anything. But people don't do it because they never learn how to do it right. Instead they always pull away from the right hand, which leaves them in the path of it if the opponent lunges in but more importantly makes it very easy to take them down or kick their legs out.

I went on a rant there but the idea is that good boxing lets you do everything on the feet in MMA. But these MMA fighters learn how to box in MMA gyms, then by the time they get to the top where there are actually some real boxing coaches around they've already been built on a shaky foundation. And trying to improve that is a fight against the man's ego and comfort, it's often too late.