Would the cruiserweight Holyfield have lost to a 40 year old Thompson?
Would the cruiserweight Holyfield have lost to a 40 year old Thompson?
Tex Cobb:"Larry Holmes doesn't hit as hard as Earnie Shavers. Nobody hits like Shavers. If anybody hit harder than Shavers, I'd shoot him.""Earnie Shavers could punch you in the neck and break your ankle."
This would have been an exceptional battle for sure, and one very closely fought.
Holyfield had the unblemished career at CW whereas Davids was marked by a single loss to a veteran. But in any case, both men fought and beat an excellent cast of opposition.
Holyfield was better at CW than Thompson but that was early in Haye's career.
Holyfield has the more extensive HW career than Haye and fought more decent opponents there overall. Except Holyfield's HW career is marred with extensive losses and featherfistedness whereas Haye is a straight out thrashing machine and KO artist (except Wlad, who Holyfield could never win a round against really anyway).
Holyfield has the chin, the stamina and the brawling mentality which will make him dangerous in close for Haye who has a weak enough chin for Evander to crack, cannot hack the rough-housing or pace that Evander pushes up close.
However the flipside of the coin is that Evander is reasonably easy to hit for a guy like Haye who is probably the fastest HW who ever lved. He is also among the slickest and would avoid most of the Holyfield arsenal and beat Holy to the counterpunch most often and stay out of his range when not punching. The sting of the Hayemaker will keep Holyfield wary of any foolish moves but I think Holyfield will easily survive Haye with his iron chin.
A comparable fight was vs Moorer. Haye would no doubt knock Moorer out cold early as if he were nothing.
I can see David Haye scoring a sound UD win vs Holyfield, but with Holyfield having some great moments too of course. But it could go the other way too.
"Enough with the games mate! Your messing with the Grand Master!"
Lennox Lewis
"Enough with the games mate! Your messing with the Grand Master!"
Lennox Lewis
Holyfield knocks him out late most likely ever time Haye had speed and power but Holyfeild would make that fight dirty as fuck and were him down. Haye had stamina problems and a chin problem the lose Thompson the creep keeper should hurt him because by his 12 fight Holyfeild was lineal champ. Moorer could ice Haye just as easy not saying he win but Moorer hit like a truck an was fast as shit him self. The buzzsaw could give Haye some big problems as well don't kid your self cw Haye could be out hustled and put to sleep. As for Holyfeild Wald thing rematch with Bowie and his close fight with Lewis at 37 i give him a chance on Wald. Acutely i take step further i say since Holyfeild might be underdog he end up knocking Wald out because that what Holyfeild did he beat people that he should not have. Holyfeild hw career is up and down but shit he fought for 26 years and most of his lose are after 40 which for a fighter who depended on stamina and out put after late 30's can effect them pretty bad because he was not a stone hand man and he was not 10 feet tall so lose of speed and out put pretty much ends it.
Your a different story.
If Mock, Thompson and Mormeck who aren't big punchers for cruiser can stop, drop, wobble Haye then Holyfield would ruin him.
Haye wouldn't get anywhere near Cunningham who has gone on to beat more undefeated fights at heavy than Haye dare face. Oh, he didn't go near any...
Out of 6 fighters at heavy they had 25 losses! Not one undefeated, Ruiz had 8 losses and some would have you believe this was a good win and a reasonable world title defence. It wasn't. It wouldn't even be a good fight for someone on the level of Joshua!
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Mormeck IS a big puncher you moron. Holyfiled HIMSELF is a featherfist!
I DO think Holyfield could hurt Haye because he doesn't have the best chin. But it's also plainly obvious that Haye has all the other advantages other than speed and stamina.
Besides we're talking the best versions of each aren't we?
I see Tyson, Haye and Holyfield as a good "styles make fights" example.
I think Haye would outclass Holyfield, Holyfield stops Tyson, Tyson knocks out Haye.
Holyfield could not even outbox bloody Moorer for crying out loud!
"Enough with the games mate! Your messing with the Grand Master!"
Lennox Lewis
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Mormeck IS a big puncher you moron. Holyfiled HIMSELF is a featherfist!
I DO think Holyfield could hurt Haye because he doesn't have the best chin. But it's also plainly obvious that Haye has all the other advantages other than speed and stamina.
Besides we're talking the best versions of each aren't we?
I see Tyson, Haye and Holyfield as a good "styles make fights" example.
I think Haye would outclass Holyfield, Holyfield stops Tyson, Tyson knocks out Haye.
Holyfield could not even outbox bloody Moorer for crying out loud![/QUOTE]
Styles may make fights, but Prime vs Prime, Tyson beats the shit out of Holyfield , Tyson, Wlad, Vitaly, and Uncle Tom Cobley and all!
Michael Moorer was very very good at that point, what are you on about?! He was probably the best southpaw HW ever for a time, and hit really hard himself. The Holyfield that beat Tyson would have flattened Haye imo, Haye couldn't have possibly hurt him or sustained a workrate that would allow him to win without gassing out. I'm sure it would have been a great fight, but Evan Fields had way to much in the tank to lose to Haye.
Bowe taking the shots he did vs golata from haye... Ouch!
On a prime v prime note I'd love to see haye bowe!
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