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    Would the cruiserweight Holyfield have lost to a 40 year old Thompson?

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    Tex Cobb:"Larry Holmes doesn't hit as hard as Earnie Shavers. Nobody hits like Shavers. If anybody hit harder than Shavers, I'd shoot him.""Earnie Shavers could punch you in the neck and break your ankle."

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    Default Re: Haye vs Holyfield

    This would have been an exceptional battle for sure, and one very closely fought.

    Holyfield had the unblemished career at CW whereas Davids was marked by a single loss to a veteran. But in any case, both men fought and beat an excellent cast of opposition.

    Holyfield was better at CW than Thompson but that was early in Haye's career.

    Holyfield has the more extensive HW career than Haye and fought more decent opponents there overall. Except Holyfield's HW career is marred with extensive losses and featherfistedness whereas Haye is a straight out thrashing machine and KO artist (except Wlad, who Holyfield could never win a round against really anyway).

    Holyfield has the chin, the stamina and the brawling mentality which will make him dangerous in close for Haye who has a weak enough chin for Evander to crack, cannot hack the rough-housing or pace that Evander pushes up close.

    However the flipside of the coin is that Evander is reasonably easy to hit for a guy like Haye who is probably the fastest HW who ever lved. He is also among the slickest and would avoid most of the Holyfield arsenal and beat Holy to the counterpunch most often and stay out of his range when not punching. The sting of the Hayemaker will keep Holyfield wary of any foolish moves but I think Holyfield will easily survive Haye with his iron chin.

    A comparable fight was vs Moorer. Haye would no doubt knock Moorer out cold early as if he were nothing.

    I can see David Haye scoring a sound UD win vs Holyfield, but with Holyfield having some great moments too of course. But it could go the other way too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ross View Post
    Would the cruiserweight Holyfield have lost to a 40 year old Thompson?
    He wouldn't have been decked bu Cunningham either, despite actually being a former cruiser also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamGB View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ross View Post
    Would the cruiserweight Holyfield have lost to a 40 year old Thompson?
    He wouldn't have been decked bu Cunningham either, despite actually being a former cruiser also.
    Yes, all this proves that Holyfield has a much stronger chin than Haye, definitely.

    Bascially the reason Haye vs Holyfield IS a competitive fight is BECAUSE of Holyfield's chin, which was the mainstays of Holyfield's success.
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    Holyfield knocks him out late most likely ever time Haye had speed and power but Holyfeild would make that fight dirty as fuck and were him down. Haye had stamina problems and a chin problem the lose Thompson the creep keeper should hurt him because by his 12 fight Holyfeild was lineal champ. Moorer could ice Haye just as easy not saying he win but Moorer hit like a truck an was fast as shit him self. The buzzsaw could give Haye some big problems as well don't kid your self cw Haye could be out hustled and put to sleep. As for Holyfeild Wald thing rematch with Bowie and his close fight with Lewis at 37 i give him a chance on Wald. Acutely i take step further i say since Holyfeild might be underdog he end up knocking Wald out because that what Holyfeild did he beat people that he should not have. Holyfeild hw career is up and down but shit he fought for 26 years and most of his lose are after 40 which for a fighter who depended on stamina and out put after late 30's can effect them pretty bad because he was not a stone hand man and he was not 10 feet tall so lose of speed and out put pretty much ends it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamGB View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ross View Post
    Would the cruiserweight Holyfield have lost to a 40 year old Thompson?
    He wouldn't have been decked bu Cunningham either, despite actually being a former cruiser also.
    You mean Lolenga Mock.

    Haye mever wanted any part of Cunningham when Steve was IBF cruiser champ.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ross View Post
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    Would the cruiserweight Holyfield have lost to a 40 year old Thompson?
    He wouldn't have been decked bu Cunningham either, despite actually being a former cruiser also.
    You mean Lolenga Mock.

    Haye mever wanted any part of Cunningham when Steve was IBF cruiser champ.

    Haye would knock Cunningham out without even breaking a sweat. They don't even play in the same league.

    Holyfield is a different story.

    Something like 50/50.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Power View Post
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    Would the cruiserweight Holyfield have lost to a 40 year old Thompson?
    He wouldn't have been decked bu Cunningham either, despite actually being a former cruiser also.
    You mean Lolenga Mock.

    Haye mever wanted any part of Cunningham when Steve was IBF cruiser champ.

    Haye would knock Cunningham out without even breaking a sweat. They don't even play in the same league.

    Holyfield is a different story.

    Something like 50/50.
    Your a different story.

    If Mock, Thompson and Mormeck who aren't big punchers for cruiser can stop, drop, wobble Haye then Holyfield would ruin him.

    Haye wouldn't get anywhere near Cunningham who has gone on to beat more undefeated fights at heavy than Haye dare face. Oh, he didn't go near any...

    Out of 6 fighters at heavy they had 25 losses! Not one undefeated, Ruiz had 8 losses and some would have you believe this was a good win and a reasonable world title defence. It wasn't. It wouldn't even be a good fight for someone on the level of Joshua!


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    Quote Originally Posted by ross View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Max Power View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by ross View Post
    Would the cruiserweight Holyfield have lost to a 40 year old Thompson?
    He wouldn't have been decked bu Cunningham either, despite actually being a former cruiser also.
    You mean Lolenga Mock.

    Haye mever wanted any part of Cunningham when Steve was IBF cruiser champ.

    Haye would knock Cunningham out without even breaking a sweat. They don't even play in the same league.

    Holyfield is a different story.

    Something like 50/50.
    Your a different story.

    If Mock, Thompson and Mormeck who aren't big punchers for cruiser can stop, drop, wobble Haye then Holyfield would ruin him.

    Haye wouldn't get anywhere near Cunningham who has gone on to beat more undefeated fights at heavy than Haye dare face. Oh, he didn't go near any...

    Out of 6 fighters at heavy they had 25 losses! Not one undefeated, Ruiz had 8 losses and some would have you believe this was a good win and a reasonable world title defence. It wasn't. It wouldn't even be a good fight for someone on the level of Joshua!

    Mormeck IS a big puncher you moron. Holyfiled HIMSELF is a featherfist!

    I DO think Holyfield could hurt Haye because he doesn't have the best chin. But it's also plainly obvious that Haye has all the other advantages other than speed and stamina.

    Besides we're talking the best versions of each aren't we?

    I see Tyson, Haye and Holyfield as a good "styles make fights" example.

    I think Haye would outclass Holyfield, Holyfield stops Tyson, Tyson knocks out Haye.

    Holyfield could not even outbox bloody Moorer for crying out loud!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Power View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ross View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Max Power View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ross View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by ross View Post
    Would the cruiserweight Holyfield have lost to a 40 year old Thompson?
    He wouldn't have been decked bu Cunningham either, despite actually being a former cruiser also.
    You mean Lolenga Mock.

    Haye mever wanted any part of Cunningham when Steve was IBF cruiser champ.

    Haye would knock Cunningham out without even breaking a sweat. They don't even play in the same league.

    Holyfield is a different story.

    Something like 50/50.
    Your a different story.

    If Mock, Thompson and Mormeck who aren't big punchers for cruiser can stop, drop, wobble Haye then Holyfield would ruin him.

    Haye wouldn't get anywhere near Cunningham who has gone on to beat more undefeated fights at heavy than Haye dare face. Oh, he didn't go near any...

    Out of 6 fighters at heavy they had 25 losses! Not one undefeated, Ruiz had 8 losses and some would have you believe this was a good win and a reasonable world title defence. It wasn't. It wouldn't even be a good fight for someone on the level of Joshua!

    Mormeck IS a big puncher you moron. Holyfiled HIMSELF is a featherfist!

    I DO think Holyfield could hurt Haye because he doesn't have the best chin. But it's also plainly obvious that Haye has all the other advantages other than speed and stamina.

    Besides we're talking the best versions of each aren't we?

    I see Tyson, Haye and Holyfield as a good "styles make fights" example.

    I think Haye would outclass Holyfield, Holyfield stops Tyson, Tyson knocks out Haye.

    Holyfield could not even outbox bloody Moorer for crying out loud!
    Out of 9 fights including winning the world title while cruiser weight world champion Mormeck only stopped 4 fighters!

    Out of 7 fights, Holyfield only couldn't stop one!

    Moron.....

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    Mormeck IS a big puncher you moron. Holyfiled HIMSELF is a featherfist!

    I DO think Holyfield could hurt Haye because he doesn't have the best chin. But it's also plainly obvious that Haye has all the other advantages other than speed and stamina.

    Besides we're talking the best versions of each aren't we?

    I see Tyson, Haye and Holyfield as a good "styles make fights" example.

    I think Haye would outclass Holyfield, Holyfield stops Tyson, Tyson knocks out Haye.

    Holyfield could not even outbox bloody Moorer for crying out loud![/QUOTE]
    Styles may make fights, but Prime vs Prime, Tyson beats the shit out of Holyfield , Tyson, Wlad, Vitaly, and Uncle Tom Cobley and all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Power View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ross View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Max Power View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ross View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by AdamGB View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ross View Post
    Would the cruiserweight Holyfield have lost to a 40 year old Thompson?
    He wouldn't have been decked bu Cunningham either, despite actually being a former cruiser also.
    You mean Lolenga Mock.

    Haye mever wanted any part of Cunningham when Steve was IBF cruiser champ.

    Haye would knock Cunningham out without even breaking a sweat. They don't even play in the same league.

    Holyfield is a different story.

    Something like 50/50.
    Your a different story.

    If Mock, Thompson and Mormeck who aren't big punchers for cruiser can stop, drop, wobble Haye then Holyfield would ruin him.

    Haye wouldn't get anywhere near Cunningham who has gone on to beat more undefeated fights at heavy than Haye dare face. Oh, he didn't go near any...

    Out of 6 fighters at heavy they had 25 losses! Not one undefeated, Ruiz had 8 losses and some would have you believe this was a good win and a reasonable world title defence. It wasn't. It wouldn't even be a good fight for someone on the level of Joshua!

    Mormeck IS a big puncher you moron. Holyfiled HIMSELF is a featherfist!

    I DO think Holyfield could hurt Haye because he doesn't have the best chin. But it's also plainly obvious that Haye has all the other advantages other than speed and stamina.

    Besides we're talking the best versions of each aren't we?

    I see Tyson, Haye and Holyfield as a good "styles make fights" example.

    I think Haye would outclass Holyfield, Holyfield stops Tyson, Tyson knocks out Haye.

    Holyfield could not even outbox bloody Moorer for crying out loud!
    Michael Moorer was very very good at that point, what are you on about?! He was probably the best southpaw HW ever for a time, and hit really hard himself. The Holyfield that beat Tyson would have flattened Haye imo, Haye couldn't have possibly hurt him or sustained a workrate that would allow him to win without gassing out. I'm sure it would have been a great fight, but Evan Fields had way to much in the tank to lose to Haye.

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    Bowe taking the shots he did vs golata from haye... Ouch!

    On a prime v prime note I'd love to see haye bowe!

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    Default Re: Haye vs Holyfield

    Quote Originally Posted by oakleyno1 View Post
    Bowe taking the shots he did vs golata from haye... Ouch!

    On a prime v prime note I'd love to see haye bowe!
    Or Haye taking the shots Holyfield did from Bowe?



    Thats where it gets silly

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