earnie shavers: the hardest heavyweight puncher ever?

[Max Power]

2 Overrated fighters in an overrated fight.

I am sorry but this fight encapsulates everything that is wrong with the golden era cult.

WHERE are these brutal mega-punches that are apparently the hardest thrown at Ali?

Farcial decision! Muhammad Ali, who was never in the fight except for the last 30seconds! Who until then over most of the previous 14 and 3 qtr rounds was getting pasted left right and centre and failed to land ANY effective punches whatsoever!

What is this slippy slap shit that he tries to pepper Shavers with at times like a child fighting in a school yard?

Both boxers displayed a total lack of any appreciable skills whatsoever and a lack of any kind of serious power in my opinion.

I scored it for Shavers, as was the feeling by most observers you can ascertain from the end. Even Ali HIMSELF looked stunned at the result.. Robbed the fight from a bum in the last 30 seconds. Pathetic!

I put myself with a new year hangover through this shit to TRY and find something good about these guys and what do I see? A bum fight! Nothing more!

Ali and Shavers are not fit for Tuesday night fights judging from THIS performance!

I am certain even I could wear Ali's shots they look and sound so weak.

And the reflexes and speed of both fighters are REAL astonishing NOT! LOL Rarely seen such blatant punch baggery.

[Master]

The best fighters in the best time.

Today the heavyweight division is a joke.

Happy New year 2015.

[brocktonblockbust]

Shavers landed bomb after bomb. Hardest shots I ever saw or heard.

[IamInuit]

I'd take this guy I think,

He had a 17” neck, 15” biceps, a 42 ½” inch chest and a 73” reach

He had huge shoulders and massive back muscles. He was known for his quick hands, debilitating left jab, crushing hook, powerful right cross, smashing uppercut and devastating body punches. He was equally adept at punching from long range or short punches at close range. When he had his opponent hurt he was a deadly finisher.

He was master at the art of feinting.

He was also an outstanding defensive fighter. A master at blocking an opponents leads with an open glove with the rear hand in proper position, a master glove blocker and counter puncher as well as a fighter who would duck and counter putting his whole body into his blows. He had the perfect balance, timing and leverage of a great puncher.

Mike Silver stated ;

Quite possibly the greatest fighter who ever lived, Langford mastered every punch. His short hook on the inside and his right cross and uppercut were particularly deadly. His punishing jab was also one of the best. He was a strategist who knew how to maneuver, with the ability to explode out of an offensive or defensive position. He could instantly stop when retreating, revert to the offensive, and in the blink of an eye render an opponent unconscious with trip-hammer blows thrown in four and five punch combinations. Langford's every move embodied the technique of a studied master boxer. During his prime he was rarely outfought, out-thought, or out-punched.

William Detloff wrote,

he wasn't simply an all out slugger. He was smart and crafty and knew how to out-think guys in the ring. He could fight inside or outside and was impossibly strong. He was decades ahead of his time.

Ring founder Nat Fleischer reported:

He was as quick and slippery as an eel in action, highly intelligent and made up of surprising dodges from head to heels. Sam used his bulky shoulders and clever blocking arms to avoid blows and his potent punching power stayed with him until the end of his career.

Norman Clark who saw him fight on his tour of England wrote,All in the Game 1935 said;

For working up speed he had Jimmy Walsh, the bantamweight champion of the world, with him. The pair used to box together lightly, but at a great pace, and I was surprised to find that even in this sort of work Sam was every bit as fast and clever as Walsh himself.

R. Stockton stated,

He had all the attributes of a great fighter, speed, punching power, an amazingly elusive defense, the ability to absorb punishment, and unlimited endurance.

Al Laney wrote,

This is the man competent critics said was the greatest fighter in ring history, the man the champions feared and would not fight, the man who was so good he was never given a chance to show how good he really was.

Harry Wills described in the February 1953 Boxing and Wrestling Magazine what his knockout losses to him were like. Wills said he was hit so hard each time that he doesn’t remember being knocked out!

I was knocked out three times in my career, twice by him and in my last fight by Paulino Uzcudun. I still don't know, except from hearsay, what punches he used to knock me out. The first time it happened was 1914. We were supposed to go twenty rounds, when the fourteenth began I was going easy. He was in a bad way. I backed him around the ring trying to set him up for a one punch finish. His eye was bleeding and the last thing I remember was having him against the ropes just about five feet from his corner. It must have happened right then.

Jack Dempsey just like Johnson wanted nothing to do with him and in his autobiography
he admitted it saying,

The Hell I feared no man. There was one man, he was even smaller than I, and I wouldn’t fight because I knew he would flatten me. I was afraid of him

Johnson did fight him once but he was a 20 year old and a lightweight at the time and the 28 year old Johnson outweighed him by 50 pounds and Johnson even in his win mew he was lucky that he got to the kid when he did. He would say later,

I don’t want to fight that little smoke,” said Johnson. “He’s got a chance to win against anyone in the world. I’m the first black champion and I’m going to be the last.

Jim Flynn, said of his punching power:

I fought most of the heavyweights, including [Jack] Dempsey and [Jack] Johnson, but he could strength a guy colder than any of them. When he hit me it felt like someone slugged me with a baseball bat

In the end the official record has him at over 300 fights but the real tally is most likely much more then that. He knocked out virtually every top heavyweight he faced with most of them being men who were also ducked by the likes of Johnson and Dempsey. With 140 ko's on his official record, he blasts out the records of guys like Tyson and Foreman combined or any other heavyweight duo.


A few months before his death, he said,

“Don’t nobody need to feel sorry for old Sam. I had plenty of good times. I been all over the world. I fought maybe 600 fights, and every one was a pleasure!”

Given his size in comparison to all others, in my mind he's the biggest puncher in heavyweight history.
He had to have been given the disparities. He fought for 24 years until he was pulled out of the ring when totally blind and never got a title shot other then Gans and Walcott at lower weights. By all accounts he beat Barbadoes Joe and beat Gans for his first loss in ten tears but was 2 pounds over on fight night so never got the title.

[walrus]

I hope we get a lot of Shavers threads this year

[Max Power]

@IamInuit

As if considering Shavers the hardest puncher was not enough for you, you had to go a step further didn't you.

You had to drag up a guy from 100 years ago, who has stylistically nothing in common with even the 70's boxers let alone the current ones.

Who was never a HW as we define them today anyhow.

Unbelievable!

[Max Power]

Shavers landed bomb after bomb. Hardest shots I ever saw or heard.

Shavers landed bomb after bomb on a completely reflexless opponent, gee that was hard. Muhammad Ali is about as defensive as the average heavy bag.

These punches looked no harder than anybody elses of similar calibre to Shavers if you ask me. They quite obviously sucked because he landed them flush and clean and till couldn't knock Ali down.

I'm onto it now, Shavers MUST be promo'd as the penultimate puncher because it's part of the basis of Mauhammad having an "IRON CHIN".

I mean how else could Ali have survived the awesome power of Shavers right? LOL

[Max Power]

Take Shavers out of that pathetic fight, insert Samuel PEter instead, and Muhammad Zero gets KTFO of the ring in that 2nd round where he got tagged flush every few seconds.

[Master]

Take Shavers out of that pathetic fight, insert Samuel PEter instead, and Muhammad Zero gets KTFO of the ring in that 2nd round where he got tagged flush every few seconds.

If Foreman and Shavers are not knocking Ali out then your fat African friend, who knocked down your lover wlad numerous times, is not going to either.

Get real in 2015 will you.

[Max Power]

Take Shavers out of that pathetic fight, insert Samuel PEter instead, and Muhammad Zero gets KTFO of the ring in that 2nd round where he got tagged flush every few seconds.

If Foreman and Shavers are not knocking Ali out then your fat African friend, who knocked down your lover wlad numerous times, is not going to either.

Get real in 2015 will you.

Oh so a bummy boxer like Shavers who is less skilled, strong, powerful and even slower than Shaver couldn't land the same punches as Shaver did in that exact same fight.

OR

Muhammad Ali's chin is so strong that he could survive Peter's shots too?

What if I told you that Peter hits FAR harder than Foreman and Shavers did? What if I told you there was no way known that Muihammad could survive a Peter punch.

What if I told you the Muhammad chin was overrated? He was badly hurt vs Cooper, by how much could his chin harden from the 60's to 70's really? His weight was not FAR heftier. He did not even wear the Foreman punch properly on his head, only in the body, for which he needed a lengthy stay in hospital.

Maybe Shaver didn't hit as hard as you think he did. I just posted the video of their fight, I seen no punches nearly as hard as Peter's were.

Seriously, if you really think Muhammad could withstand Peter's shots you are disgraceful overestimating the man.

[Master]

Take Shavers out of that pathetic fight, insert Samuel PEter instead, and Muhammad Zero gets KTFO of the ring in that 2nd round where he got tagged flush every few seconds.

If Foreman and Shavers are not knocking Ali out then your fat African friend, who knocked down your lover wlad numerous times, is not going to either.

Get real in 2015 will you.

Oh so a bummy boxer like Shavers who is less skilled, strong, powerful and even slower than Shaver couldn't land the same punches as Shaver did in that exact same fight.

OR

Muhammad Ali's chin is so strong that he could survive Peter's shots too?

What if I told you that Peter hits FAR harder than Foreman and Shavers did? What if I told you there was no way known that Muihammad could survive a Peter punch.

What if I told you the Muhammad chin was overrated? He was badly hurt vs Cooper, by how much could his chin harden from the 60's to 70's really? His weight was not FAR heftier. He did not even wear the Foreman punch properly on his head, only in the body, for which he needed a lengthy stay in hospital.

Maybe Shaver didn't hit as hard as you think he did. I just posted the video of their fight, I seen no punches nearly as hard as Peter's were.

Seriously, if you really think Muhammad could withstand Peter's shots you are disgraceful overestimating the man.

Ali took harder punches from greater fighters. Fact.

Do not try to make out Peters is some super strong heavyweight. He was embarrassed by Vitali who was out of the fighting game for years. He lost every single round and quit.

[Max Power]

Take Shavers out of that pathetic fight, insert Samuel PEter instead, and Muhammad Zero gets KTFO of the ring in that 2nd round where he got tagged flush every few seconds.

If Foreman and Shavers are not knocking Ali out then your fat African friend, who knocked down your lover wlad numerous times, is not going to either.

Get real in 2015 will you.

Oh so a bummy boxer like Shavers who is less skilled, strong, powerful and even slower than Shaver couldn't land the same punches as Shaver did in that exact same fight.

OR

Muhammad Ali's chin is so strong that he could survive Peter's shots too?

What if I told you that Peter hits FAR harder than Foreman and Shavers did? What if I told you there was no way known that Muihammad could survive a Peter punch.

What if I told you the Muhammad chin was overrated? He was badly hurt vs Cooper, by how much could his chin harden from the 60's to 70's really? His weight was not FAR heftier. He did not even wear the Foreman punch properly on his head, only in the body, for which he needed a lengthy stay in hospital.

Maybe Shaver didn't hit as hard as you think he did. I just posted the video of their fight, I seen no punches nearly as hard as Peter's were.

Seriously, if you really think Muhammad could withstand Peter's shots you are disgraceful overestimating the man.

Ali took harder punches from greater fighters. Fact.

Do not try to make out Peters is some super strong heavyweight. He was embarrassed by Vitali who was out of the fighting game for years. He lost every single round and quit.

News flash for you, Peter is a harder puncher than any of the guys Muhammad fought and a better boxer than a lot of them too, better than bloody Shavers incidentally.

Muhammad Ali is also not Vitali Klitschko, Muhammad fights several orders of magnitude worse opposition than Vitali did and goes round after round without barely ever losing a round or even getting hit much whilst your man gets pasted by even the most terrible opponents who Vitali would never even be allowed to fight, fan would be disgraced!

Samuel Peter is a much harder puncher than even Vitali Klitschko who was never a massive hitter, he was an accumulation fighter. Vitali beat Peter easily because he was a far superior boxer with a huge range advantage and he knew how to use it.

Muhammad Ali is not Vitali Klitschko, he could not avoid a punch to save his life and had no timing or reflexes whatsoever as is CLEARLY evident in the Ali vs Shavers fight.

Try it, put up Vitali vs Peter side by side with Ali vs Shavers. Despite being visibly slower than Peter, Shavers is able to land a punch on Ali about every 5-10 seconds.

Vitali maintains a near perfect defence whilst simultaneously punching PEter's frigging lights out, where as Ali has the gravest difficulties against Shavers who spends the first part of the fight clowning around.

How dare you compare a masterpiece performance like Vitali's dismantling of Samuel to this abomination of an Ali performance against Shavers!

Unbelievable!

[brocktonblockbust]

Earnie Shavers hit about a factor of 10 harder than Sam "Rabbit Punch" Peter.

[Max Power]

Earnie Shavers hit about a factor of 10 harder than Sam "Rabbit Punch" Peter.

Then why is it that he could not knock Ali out despite landing flush Sunday punches on him multiple times every round?

I already know the response.

Shavers has the hardest punch, Muhammad has the hardest chin right?

For ALL TIME right?

An untestable position to take, and therefore worthless.

Unbelievable that you cans can think this with the video and statistical evidence combined!

[brocktonblockbust]

earnie shavers hit about a factor of 10 harder than sam "rabbit punch" peter.

then why is it that he could not knock ali out despite landing flush sunday punches on him multiple times every round?

I already know the response.

Shavers has the hardest punch, muhammad has the hardest chin right?

For all time right?

An untestable position to take, and therefore worthless.

Unbelievable that you cans can think this with the video and statistical evidence combined!

nobody ever knocked ali out.