Larry Holmes: Klitschko has no jab, no heart & would be beaten by Wilder or Stiverne

[Max Power]

Larry is spot on. Spot on. His piston-like jab would decapitate the K bros. Bang on.

I already commenting on this thread on BoxingScene..

Basically, Holmes is butt hurt that Wlad destroyed his legacy and knows he wouldn't make a decent opponent anymore.

And so has joined the same club as Shavers, "the nostalgia delusion club" ey @Master

He rags Wlad to maintain his own legacy.

I always liked Holmes and respect his boxing.. But this was pathetic!

Wlad would easily beat all these guys, knock all of them out, Holmes, Stiverne, Wilder.. And everybody knows it!

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Holmes was a really good fighter, but he always had a chip on both shoulders. I can't recall him ever saying anything remotely positive about any other heavyweight who ever lived.

I am not a big Wlad fan, though I respect him a lot, but even I can see that he has an excellent jab that's right up there with Larry's (albeit it a different type of jab)

[Master]

Holmes would beat Wlad as he has better skill, heart, talent and jab.

[El Kabong]

What the fuck is this "Wlad has no heart" business? The dude was being told by everyone AND HIS OWN BROTHER to retire after the loss to Lamon Brewster and here we are 10 years later and he is THE MAN of the division, head and shoulders above everyone else! From 3 knockdowns against Sam Peter, like a phoenix Wlad's career rose from the ashes and he's dominated ever since. Think about that just for 1 second....At the lowest point in Wladimir's career, he fought the guy nobody else wanted to fight, he jumped at the opportunity to prove himself as a professional and look what he has achieved since then....you can't argue with his success.

"You just have to jump on them"....them....#1 Vitali is retired #2 Nobody "jumped on Vitali" #3 fighters have talked the same shit about Wlad for over 10 years and it's been over 10 years since anyone has followed through on ANY threat against Wlad.

I don't know if Larry is upset that Wlad is passing him on the longest reigning champion list or if he's just trying to cheer for Wilder or maybe he feels forgotten, but whatever it is he's talking a bunch of bullshit.

[Max Power]

Holmes would beat Wlad as he has better skill, heart, talent and jab.

GTFOOH @Master,

Come on mate, I know your not warm to Wlad, but hey, I have deep respect for Holmes, but even if you don't swallow he wouldn't make a good Wlad opponent, he certainly couldn't beat Wlad. Everything Holmes did, Wlad does better. He is kind of a "Super-Holmes".

I have rarely seen as much heart in a fighter as Wlad, who else has ever come back from such setbacks to become the dominant champ? Nobody ever!

[Master]

Holmes would beat Wlad as he has better skill, heart, talent and jab.

GTFOOH @Master,

Come on mate, I know your not warm to Wlad, but hey, I have deep respect for Holmes, but even if you don't swallow he wouldn't make a good Wlad opponent, he certainly couldn't beat Wlad. Everything Holmes did, Wlad does better. He is kind of a "Super-Holmes".

I have rarely seen as much heart in a fighter as Wlad, who else has ever come back from such setbacks to become the dominant champ? Nobody ever!

Wlad is not super Holmes. You are deluded mate.

Watch Wlad closely he is vulnerable which is why he holds so much. I guarantee you that Vitali, Lennox, Holmes, Tyson type aggression would see him crumble. There is no one out there with that calibre.

[Max Power]

Holmes was a really good fighter, but he always had a chip on both shoulders. I can't recall him ever saying anything remotely positive about any other heavyweight who ever lived.

I am not a big Wlad fan, though I respect him a lot, but even I can see that he has an excellent jab that's right up there with Larry's (albeit it a different type of jab)

Great post. And because of it I'll level with you the early Holmes jab, was faster than Wlad's.

But Early Holmes weighed about 200lbs... He would be knocked out by the Wlad jab

[Master]

Holmes was a really good fighter, but he always had a chip on both shoulders. I can't recall him ever saying anything remotely positive about any other heavyweight who ever lived.

I am not a big Wlad fan, though I respect him a lot, but even I can see that he has an excellent jab that's right up there with Larry's (albeit it a different type of jab)

Great post. And because of it I'll level with you the early Holmes jab, was faster than Wlad's.

But Early Holmes weighed about 200lbs... He would be knocked out by the Wlad jab

There you go on about the weight again. Give it a rest.

[beenKOed]

Holmes was a really good fighter, but he always had a chip on both shoulders. I can't recall him ever saying anything remotely positive about any other heavyweight who ever lived.

I am not a big Wlad fan, though I respect him a lot, but even I can see that he has an excellent jab that's right up there with Larry's (albeit it a different type of jab)

Holmes was and probably still is, an honest to God tough guy. As a lot of people used to say, a very serious dude.
Here is the only time I heard him say something remotely positive about about another HW. When asked if he ever fought Foreman, Holmes said, 'No, thank God!'
Foreman was setting across the table from him (a round table of HW fighters) so I'm not sure if Holmes was serious or just showing some respect. Lol
How Spinks ever beat him, twice, I'll never know, just got old overnight I guess.

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Its really unusual how Wlad completely polarises people's opinions about his capability as a fighter.

I wonder if it's because he actually fights like an amateur boxer, controlling distance and pace, probing with his jab, shutting down the action when it moves inside etc.

He has got away with a few technical flaws because he is the outstanding physical specimen of his generation, and has succeeded in melding that style (and he had pretty much mastered it as an amateur already) and bringing his physical advantages to bear.

He has never brought the sport into disrepute, is a great ambassador for the game, never ever turns up unfit, hasn't dodged anyone in over ten years - apart from his brother -he is articulate, intelligent and (dare I say it) White ..... He should be the biggest and most popular champion in history.

I think people like their world champions to have a scent of destruction about them, to get hit, to go down and get up, to 'prove' themselves in a few wars. Wlad has done it all on his own terms, no Don King, only really fights in Europe etc. His problem is the lack of drama in most of his fights, and this is the entertainment business after all. Mayweather has the same issue, but he bigs up the drama outside the ring instead!

Mark my words, 5 years after he retires, people on this board will have him right up there with the ATGs.

[Master]

Wlad has earned the right to be an ATG because he has overcome adversity in his early defeats and knock downs, being undefeated in over 10 years, beating the best out there and having more defences than anyone except Louis but he has had no career defining fights during the 10 years.

The opposition have been a joke and he has struggled against some of them on the biggest platforms to showcase his quality. Yet he does not provide that entertaining wow factor (bar his last fight).

[El Kabong]

Wlad has earned the right to be an ATG because he has overcome adversity in his early defeats and knock downs, being undefeated in over 10 years, beating the best out there and having more defences than anyone except Louis but he has had no career defining fights during the 10 years.

The opposition have been a joke and he has struggled against some of them on the biggest platforms to showcase his quality. Yet he does not provide that entertaining wow factor (bar his last fight).

A career defining fight is? Because I could ask about the "career defining fights" of Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe, Lewis et al and we'll see how you define the term.

Opposition has been a joke? He just smashed the fuck out a gold medal winner...you know ANOTHER ONE! He's taken 0's off of a ton of fighters, he's fought the best, he's beat the best, and he's not slipped once in over 10 years give the guy a fucking break.

He's struggled? Against who? He probably hasn't lost 10 rounds in 10 years Master!

He doesn't provide excitement....people said that when he KO'd Ray Austin in 2 rounds and I'm tired as fuck of the bitching about it. Wlad fights at a higher level than anyone else out there he has 53 KO's....53 man!!! Out of 66 total fights!!!!

[Master]

Wlad has earned the right to be an ATG because he has overcome adversity in his early defeats and knock downs, being undefeated in over 10 years, beating the best out there and having more defences than anyone except Louis but he has had no career defining fights during the 10 years.

The opposition have been a joke and he has struggled against some of them on the biggest platforms to showcase his quality. Yet he does not provide that entertaining wow factor (bar his last fight).

A career defining fight is? Because I could ask about the "career defining fights" of Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe, Lewis et al and we'll see how you define the term.

Opposition has been a joke? He just smashed the fuck out a gold medal winner...you know ANOTHER ONE! He's taken 0's off of a ton of fighters, he's fought the best, he's beat the best, and he's not slipped once in over 10 years give the guy a fucking break.

He's struggled? Against who? He probably hasn't lost 10 rounds in 10 years Master!

He doesn't provide excitement....people said that when he KO'd Ray Austin in 2 rounds and I'm tired as fuck of the bitching about it. Wlad fights at a higher level than anyone else out there he has 53 KO's....53 man!!! Out of 66 total fights!!!!

I said he is an ATG heavyweight what more do you want me to say.

When you are up with ATG the the second paragraph applies which all still stands.

[Vendettos]

Wlad kills both, and I don't see either as being the "best" that Wlad has fought, they'd be just be the average opponent for him.

I mean really, do you think that Wlad is going to plod on to those idiot straight rights Wilder was throwing? Probably not!

Do you think those left hooks he landed had enough to drop Wlad? That's debatable!

Wlad stops them both!

[SlimTrae]

Wlad has earned the right to be an ATG because he has overcome adversity in his early defeats and knock downs, being undefeated in over 10 years, beating the best out there and having more defences than anyone except Louis but he has had no career defining fights during the 10 years.

The opposition have been a joke and he has struggled against some of them on the biggest platforms to showcase his quality. Yet he does not provide that entertaining wow factor (bar his last fight).

Sad thing about history is how loss(es) makes a fighter look ordinary to those who look back on it- as opposed to living through it.- Cooney is that example of it.

Cooney 6'5 25-0 23 ko's Walking through Ken Norton, Ron Lyle, Jimmy Young- he was a massive specimen with a power punch & a chin. Yet Holmes proved his skill level could nullify, height, jab & power. -& when Cooney hurt him to the body, will power pulled him out- thats what he questions about Wlad--even stating Wlad is good technically, but theres more to boxing than skill.

Wlad vs Puritty good example- Wlad is throwing nicely, bustin' through Puritty's guard- - then by round 7-8 Puritty is throwin' wild shit, - Dog fight is on.

He's got little skill, but full of will! Guard up high, Wlad's gas tank- on low..Fool don'e punched himself out..against a 1/2 skill fighter whose will pulled him through, now Wlad is on the canvas...oops Rd11- Wlad is fighting backward, flopping backwards, no inside game-so he's trying to clinch his way outta dog fight. He lost to a determined fighter, not a skilled one.

Same with Sanders: every time Sanders landed- Wlad's instinct was to grab-clinch (total sign) that he can't scrap like a dog to get out of it...he got dropped at the moment he tried to clinch. Cory @ this time is totally squared up- but Wlad's instinct was now was to cover while plodding forward- no balance.

In his deepest moments of his career- Wlad never tried to fight his way out- he clinched & flopped his way out.

Now that he has gained the ability to effectively clinch- he's been able to avoid the dog fight...especially since today's HW's are oversized poodles.

Holmes simply pointed that out.

Holmes proved at the time a 6'5 boxer which was massive, could be whooped....