Meanwhile - In Boxing

[Beanz]

Khan claims Broner does not really want to fight him and says he would drop the Algieri fight to face him

[chris6878]

Khan claims Broner does not really want to fight him and says he would drop the Algieri fight to face him

now that would be a good fight, somebody getting put to sleep, i think it would be broner

[Beanflicker]

Disappointing if true for Froch. He wants to be a great UK fighter like Calzaghe, Hatton, Lewis, ect? Well all of those guys were, in their time, the undisputed #1 in their divisions. Froch might be ranked #1 by default, but he'll never be the true #1 unless he fights and beats Andre Ward. Until then I don't think he should be mentioned among the best UK fighters.

[Primo Carnera]

Disappointing if true for Froch. He wants to be a great UK fighter like Calzaghe, Hatton, Lewis, ect? Well all of those guys were, in their time, the undisputed #1 in their divisions. Froch might be ranked #1 by default, but he'll never be the true #1 unless he fights and beats Andre Ward. Until then I don't think he should be mentioned among the best UK fighters.

Amen to that!

[ono]

Disappointing if true for Froch. He wants to be a great UK fighter like Calzaghe, Hatton, Lewis, ect? Well all of those guys were, in their time, the undisputed #1 in their divisions. Froch might be ranked #1 by default, but he'll never be the true #1 unless he fights and beats Andre Ward. Until then I don't think he should be mentioned among the best UK fighters.

Behave.

He's beaten...

Dirrell
Kessler
Abraham
Bute
Pascal
Taylor
Groves (x2)

In and around their prime. Far more impressive resume than Calzaghe and Hatton.

[Islington haye maker]

Disappointing if true for Froch. He wants to be a great UK fighter like Calzaghe, Hatton, Lewis, ect? Well all of those guys were, in their time, the undisputed #1 in their divisions. Froch might be ranked #1 by default, but he'll never be the true #1 unless he fights and beats Andre Ward. Until then I don't think he should be mentioned among the best UK fighters.

Behave.

He's beaten...

Dirrell
Kessler
Abraham
Bute
Pascal
Taylor
Groves (x2)

In and around their prime. Far more impressive resume than Calzaghe and Hatton.

I agree Froch still deserves massive respect in the game for what he has done.

Calzaghe however was a better fighter thou

[Primo Carnera]

Disappointing if true for Froch. He wants to be a great UK fighter like Calzaghe, Hatton, Lewis, ect? Well all of those guys were, in their time, the undisputed #1 in their divisions. Froch might be ranked #1 by default, but he'll never be the true #1 unless he fights and beats Andre Ward. Until then I don't think he should be mentioned among the best UK fighters.

Behave.

He's beaten...

Dirrell
Kessler
Abraham
Bute
Pascal
Taylor
Groves (x2)

In and around their prime. Far more impressive resume than Calzaghe and Hatton.

Firstly, Calzaghe and Hatton were both undisputed No.1 in their divisions at one time. Secondly, as far as your list goes, please note:

Dirrell - Many people think that Froch got lucky and that Dirrell beat him.

Kessler - When Calzaghe beat Kessler, he was in his prime, When Froch lost to him, he was a little less than that , and when Froch Beat him, he was clearly finished. Let us not forget that he only got to the Super Six final because Kessler pulled out with an injury. And to get to the final, he still struggled unconvincingly to get past an ageing Glen Johnson.

Abraham - Has never been the force he was at MW, nonetheless a decent performance at World level, but no more than that.

Bute - we have since discovered that Bute was not up to World standard as he has done fuck all since, clearly overrated by many at the time (including me!)

Pascal - Was a young inexperienced fighter at the time, certainly not what he has become.

Taylor - Blown up MW that decked Froch early on and was 14 seconds away from beating him, and that's a fact.

Groves (x2) - now I like Groves, and I think he's a good fighter, potentially and hopefully a World Champion. But when Froch fought him, he wasn't a proven World Level fighter and indeed he still isn't until he proves that.
to start a comparison with Calzaghe and Hatton is disrespectful and unrealistic in my view, and I would go further by saying that taking Calzaghe , Benn , Eubank, Watson and Collins into consideration, Froch would be bottom of that pile.
I'm sure some people will disagree, but that's how I see it, and at least I have given reasons for my opinion.

[Islington haye maker]

Disappointing if true for Froch. He wants to be a great UK fighter like Calzaghe, Hatton, Lewis, ect? Well all of those guys were, in their time, the undisputed #1 in their divisions. Froch might be ranked #1 by default, but he'll never be the true #1 unless he fights and beats Andre Ward. Until then I don't think he should be mentioned among the best UK fighters.

Behave.

He's beaten...

Dirrell
Kessler
Abraham
Bute
Pascal
Taylor
Groves (x2)

In and around their prime. Far more impressive resume than Calzaghe and Hatton.

Firstly, Calzaghe and Hatton were both undisputed No.1 in their divisions at one time. Secondly, as far as your list goes, please note:

Dirrell - Many people think that Froch got lucky and that Dirrell beat him.

Kessler - When Calzaghe beat Kessler, he was in his prime, When Froch lost to him, he was a little less than that , and when Froch Beat him, he was clearly finished. Let us not forget that he only got to the Super Six final because Kessler pulled out with an injury. And to get to the final, he still struggled unconvincingly to get past an ageing Glen Johnson.

Abraham - Has never been the force he was at MW, nonetheless a decent performance at World level, but no more than that.

Bute - we have since discovered that Bute was not up to World standard as he has done fuck all since, clearly overrated by many at the time (including me!)

Pascal - Was a young inexperienced fighter at the time, certainly not what he has become.

Taylor - Blown up MW that decked Froch early on and was 14 seconds away from beating him, and that's a fact.

Groves (x2) - now I like Groves, and I think he's a good fighter, potentially and hopefully a World Champion. But when Froch fought him, he wasn't a proven World Level fighter and indeed he still isn't until he proves that.
to start a comparison with Calzaghe and Hatton is disrespectful and unrealistic in my view, and I would go further by saying that taking Calzaghe , Benn , Eubank, Watson and Collins into consideration, Froch would be bottom of that pile.
I'm sure some people will disagree, but that's how I see it, and at least I have given reasons for my opinion.

I don't disagree with a lot you say,but i thought he showed real heart in the super six at the time for a fighter who had been around the block, but never really got noticed till then. So i will always respect him for that.

Your right about bute, because no one gave froch a chance when that fight was made so at the time he still has to be given respect for that.
When you look at it really Froch win at Wembley was he's most emphatic and certainly not in the class of Calzaghe.

[erics44]

Disappointing if true for Froch. He wants to be a great UK fighter like Calzaghe, Hatton, Lewis, ect? Well all of those guys were, in their time, the undisputed #1 in their divisions. Froch might be ranked #1 by default, but he'll never be the true #1 unless he fights and beats Andre Ward. Until then I don't think he should be mentioned among the best UK fighters.

Behave.

He's beaten...

Dirrell
Kessler
Abraham
Bute
Pascal
Taylor
Groves (x2)

In and around their prime. Far more impressive resume than Calzaghe and Hatton.

Firstly, Calzaghe and Hatton were both undisputed No.1 in their divisions at one time. Secondly, as far as your list goes, please note:

Dirrell - Many people think that Froch got lucky and that Dirrell beat him.

Kessler - When Calzaghe beat Kessler, he was in his prime, When Froch lost to him, he was a little less than that , and when Froch Beat him, he was clearly finished. Let us not forget that he only got to the Super Six final because Kessler pulled out with an injury. And to get to the final, he still struggled unconvincingly to get past an ageing Glen Johnson.

Abraham - Has never been the force he was at MW, nonetheless a decent performance at World level, but no more than that.

Bute - we have since discovered that Bute was not up to World standard as he has done fuck all since, clearly overrated by many at the time (including me!)

Pascal - Was a young inexperienced fighter at the time, certainly not what he has become.

Taylor - Blown up MW that decked Froch early on and was 14 seconds away from beating him, and that's a fact.

Groves (x2) - now I like Groves, and I think he's a good fighter, potentially and hopefully a World Champion. But when Froch fought him, he wasn't a proven World Level fighter and indeed he still isn't until he proves that.
to start a comparison with Calzaghe and Hatton is disrespectful and unrealistic in my view, and I would go further by saying that taking Calzaghe , Benn , Eubank, Watson and Collins into consideration, Froch would be bottom of that pile.
I'm sure some people will disagree, but that's how I see it, and at least I have given reasons for my opinion.

I don't disagree with a lot you say,but i thought he showed real heart in the super six at the time for a fighter who had been around the block, but never really got noticed till then. So i will always respect him for that.

Your right about bute, because no one gave froch a chance when that fight was made so at the time he still has to be given respect for that.
When you look at it really Froch win at Wembley was he's most emphatic and certainly not in the class of Calzaghe.

froch was underdog in most of those fights

probly with exception of groves and dirrell

says a lot

p.s. froch beat dirrell

[Primo Carnera]

Agreed, Islington, but I have to be careful with copying too many quotes cos I get a bollocking for making the page 2 miles long! 😀

[Beanflicker]

Disappointing if true for Froch. He wants to be a great UK fighter like Calzaghe, Hatton, Lewis, ect? Well all of those guys were, in their time, the undisputed #1 in their divisions. Froch might be ranked #1 by default, but he'll never be the true #1 unless he fights and beats Andre Ward. Until then I don't think he should be mentioned among the best UK fighters.

Behave.

He's beaten...

Dirrell
Kessler
Abraham
Bute
Pascal
Taylor
Groves (x2)

In and around their prime. Far more impressive resume than Calzaghe and Hatton.

Yeah but at no point was he the best 168lber in the world. That's something Calzaghe and Hatton have over him: they ruled their divisions in their time... not Froch!

And Hatton dethroned one of the best 140lbers in history to do it.

[Beanflicker]

And if Froch spends his remaining career avoiding Andre Ward, he's a punk and doesn't deserve to be mentioned with those guys, I don't care who he's beaten.

If you have no desire to avenge a loss and beat a guy that considered to be the #1 in your weight division, you're a punk and you have no business being mentioned with the best.

[Fenster]

Ward refuses to come to England unless it's at Wembley stadium.

45,000 punters is not enough for him.

Delusions of grandeur....

[Islington haye maker]

Disappointing if true for Froch. He wants to be a great UK fighter like Calzaghe, Hatton, Lewis, ect? Well all of those guys were, in their time, the undisputed #1 in their divisions. Froch might be ranked #1 by default, but he'll never be the true #1 unless he fights and beats Andre Ward. Until then I don't think he should be mentioned among the best UK fighters.

I think the problem is Froch know's Ward's all wrong for him and it will be the same again.The only advantage would be that andre has not been that active lately.Would it sell out wembley anyway I'm not so sure?