The Fight: Walrus vs SlimTrae (Political Objectivity)

[Gandalf]

In retrospect its kind of funny you got so mad but I do apologize for upsetting you, it wasn't my intent. I do have to say your critiques lay more against the repubs than the dems. I was just surprised about you not voting. I brought up my war time but in reality it's the big picture I was looking at. Wars going back to the American Revolution getting us the right to vote. The constitution is a beautiful thing. I'm always disappointed when the voting turn out is less than half the country. It baffles me. Having said that our freedom comes with the right not to vote. So when I mentioned my war time service it was actually a reflection of all war time service. I read and watch quite a bit of politics but currently I'm on a world political kick. The world is an interesting place. I have been reading mainly on the politics of the middle east and Africa. Africa got some scary stuff going on. One article I read was called Jahadafrica due to the large amount of radical Islam popping up over the continent.

So although I'm disillusioned with the US political process, I may be a closet conservative leaning more towards libertarian at this point, I will find someone to vote for, as all Americans should, I got me a purple heart bitches.

If the constitution is so beautiful (and I think it is) what do you think about the fact that the executive has effectively consigned it to the dustbin? Hasn't it almost become Caesar politics, a dictatorship with a kind of pretend election pantomime thing thrown in every 5 years where only the most deceptive or outlandish is allowed to get in and continue to carry out war crimes which shall go unpunished as the world simply doesn't have a backbone.

[walrus]

Believe me Miles I am very disappointed in what both sides of our government and judicial branch have done with the Constitution.in its essence it is beautiful but it is ignored all to often.

[Gandalf]

Believe me Miles I am very disappointed in what both sides of our government and judicial branch have done with the Constitution.in its essence it is beautiful but it is ignored all to often.

I agree with you about the constitution. It is a great thing and one of the main things I respect about America, but to see the death of rule by law and into tyranny upsets me. Obama is a despicable President that way. All that good will and he took it all further. A new Nuremberg is needed for the Bushes, Cheney's, Blair's etc. All in good time.

[SlimTrae]

So although I'm disillusioned with the US political process, I may be a closet conservative leaning more towards libertarian at this point, I will find someone to vote for, as all Americans should, I got me a purple heart bitches.

<<<-- I'm sure U deserved it.



If the constitution is so beautiful (and I think it is) what do you think about the fact that the executive has effectively consigned it to the dustbin?

1. May I recommend: Henry C. Clausen's book: Masons Who Helped Shape Our Nation- He was Sovereign Grand Commander of the 33rd Degree of Scottish Rite Freemasonry
2. Check out these patriots: Patrick Henry George Mason -google their thoughts on the constitution: They saw it as a blueprint for empire and fought it. No shit; really.
3. The Bill of Rights was added at their insistence as a defense against the Constitution.
4. Or check out the book(s) Federalist Papers vs The Anti Federalists Papers- One side is for the constitution the other against- Need I remind: there were no liberals or conservatives (by definition) at the time- so both sides were IMO founding fathers- its just the side that won- laid the losing side to historical obscurity.


Hasn't it almost become Caesar politics, a dictatorship with a kind of pretend election pantomime thing thrown in every 5 years where only the most deceptive or outlandish is allowed to get in and continue to carry out war crimes which shall go unpunished as the world simply doesn't have a backbone.

Yes, from my perspective it has-
Bankers like Hamilton (the dude on our 10$ bill) & the Federalists didn't want any enumerated rights.
5. When it comes to that document talking about bearing arms? Check out the book called Shay's Rebellion.
A disgruntled Veteran who took arms up against the government he fought for- the powers that be used it to their advantage to create this new federal army- when in truth --the very rag tag group of fighters the federalist claimed couldn't stop foreign forces....were the very ones who won the revolution Shay included, go figure.
6. Today: the people who take sides with the anti-federalists- claim this:
The constitution has become the engine of crimes, authorizing such racketeering as the private Federal Reserve Corporation and its collection agency, the IRS.
7. They claim the 17th amendment-- the states lost representation as well as an overextension of federal power and the rise of special interest groups to groups that can influence the senators elected.
8. While sounding well intentions for the 1st amendment of free speech- it also has become a license to corrupt.

We all should have the right to say something- But the founding fathers didn't have a Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to regulate a technology they knew nothing about called radio, television & internet- which uses the 1st amendment to promote pornography in movies gays on television, hate talk shows on radio a form of music called rap denigrating women as whores & bitches.

So when you questioned about the fact that the executive has effectively consigned it to the dustbin?


It (could) be- because that very document--- piece by piece; challenged the other document-
The Declaration of Independence -

Let me find a quote to end this BRB...

[SlimTrae]

The claim: Masonic Federalists met to modify the existing Articles of Confederation -Their main gripe was-the Articles gave no power to the central government. It purposely kept the central government weak.

Today I hear the Republicans making the claim that Government has too much power and not enough to the states- to them I suggest- read the words of the anti federalists. Like it or not they said it would happened- and they aren't prophets.

The Freemasons wanted a central bank & a central government to enforce it. Interesting that before George Washing passed- America was in debt to this central bank- privatized. aka Bank of the United States.
Washington Hamilton & Franklin consulted one Robert Morris who had got his Masonic apron from Washington in 1778, was named Superintendent of Finance in 1781 and when the Bank of North America was opened in 1782. Guess who the Original stockholders were.. Don't know, Ok I'll tell ya it was: Franklin, Jefferson, Hamilton, Monroe and Jay. Guys like Hamilton got rich- at the same time America went into debt, I'm serious. check it out!!


So the Constitution could be considered a document to emulate the Masons Constitution- to which was made before ours- and Ben Franklin had it. Not all founding fathers were Masons, to which is why there was great debates in shaping the nation.

But if we want to know who got the upper hand- read the federalist - today their dreams have been fulfilled- BUT look at who they were.
Then compare with the anti federalists who lost the verbal war- and ask yourselve- if you were living back then whose side would u take
The Federalists
or
The Anti Federalists.



I point these things out- because the very document that was to keep this shit at bay--got amended-over and over. Until it became the very tool used to bring to fruition the right to tax the people, for starters.

Last - I am under the impression that the U.S. Constitution if laid side by side with the Masonic Constitution- would look very similar. One preceding the other. The latter: ours.