Ray Robinson vs Floyd Maweather @ 147 or 154

**Master** · 08-01-2015 02:14 AM

Very easy answer Sugar Ray Robinson as he was a true welterweight and would smash that little shit around the ring as would have Ray Leonard and Hearns.

Floyd started at the lower weights so I have to give the wanker a break.

**ruthless rocco** · 08-01-2015 04:07 AM

Sugar Ray is my favourite band.

jon09 · 08-01-2015 04:57 AM

I really hate to say it but after watching a lot of Ray Robinson footage I think he would have lost by decision to Money. I believe speed would have been the deciding factor because Ray was fast but Mayweather was faster and would have picked off Rays wide looping punches. Don't get me wrong SRR had power in both fist and could have made it real interesting up until the final bell.

**powerpuncher** · 08-01-2015 07:38 AM

May weather would win some rounds but Robinson would be too much for Floyd. He is great at throwing multiple punches at a time and they are dangerous punches (as opposed to scoring punches). He wouldn't be afraid to get hit because he has an excellent chin. Robinson fights aggressive in this fight. He doesn't let Floyd relax. Floyd would have his moments of good counters but he wouldn't throw enough punches to win a decision IMO.

**powerpuncher** · 08-01-2015 07:40 AM

And as the smartest person on the board, I'm offended that I wasn't tagged in this post.

**greynotsoold** · 08-01-2015 07:59 AM

I spend a lot of time everyday with a guy that has sparred many rounds with Floyd; he is very fast and he hits very hard when he so chooses. The thing that stands out to me is his intelligence- you don't hit him the same way twice and, if you try, he will generally make you wish you hadn't.
I think that he and Robinson, at 147, are comparable in hand speed and, at that weight, Robinson moved as well as anybody. It was after his layoff that he stood and punched more. And he was very ring savvy on his own account; through his years at 147 he fought Gavilán twice, Zivic twice, LaMotta a bunch, Servo and Angott twice, Tommy Bell twice, Georgie Abrams, Bernard Docusen, Henry Armstrong. I think you get smarter fighting those guys than you do fighting Corrales, Hatton, Ortiz.
May weather does some things- the wide stance, leaning up on his left foot to jab, leaning on the pull counter (instead of moving weight on his feet)- that he gets away with because of speed and fighting dummies. Robinson is just as fast, just as smart as well as being taller and longer. Plus, he has fought guys with styles similar to Floyd's; Floyd never fought anybody even close to Robinson.

**mikeeod** · 08-01-2015 08:39 AM

Floyd is an ATG but he really is a 140 pounder, where Ray was a big 147 pounder and likely TBE. I pick Ray to stop him. Ray was very fast, almost as good a boxer, but hit MUCH harder and had the toughness to just walk guys down and take their heart. Floyd would make him work for it, but I have Ray winning big.

**Beanflicker** · 08-01-2015 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by greynotsoold

Robinson is just as fast, just as smart as well as being taller and longer.

You really think Robinson was as fast as Floyd, and as smart as Floyd?

Watching the old tapes, I think Floyd has the speed advantage by a significant margin.

Sugar didn't have near the defensive capabilities as Floyd, and from watching a lot of his fights and juxtaposing him with Floyd, I think Floyd undoubtedly had the advantage in ring IQ. Ray's "choices" weren't always the smartest in terms of when to punch, when to stand and trade, when to defend, when to retreat, ect. The guy was obviously an elite talent, but I think he had to rely on his toughness a lot more than you'd expect a master boxer to do because he wasn't the hardest guy to hit, but he had a great chin. He didn't make adjustments as quick as Floyd, either. He was troubled by Lamotta's jab and never really found a good solution for it until the last fight.

Not saying Robinson couldn't beat Floyd, I just don't see them as equals in speed or ring IQ at all.

**beenKOed** · 08-01-2015 08:57 AM