Ray Robinson vs Floyd Maweather @ 147 or 154

[powerpuncher]

May weather would win some rounds but Robinson would be too much for Floyd. He is great at throwing multiple punches at a time and they are dangerous punches (as opposed to scoring punches). He wouldn't be afraid to get hit because he has an excellent chin. Robinson fights aggressive in this fight. He doesn't let Floyd relax. Floyd would have his moments of good counters but he wouldn't throw enough punches to win a decision IMO.

[powerpuncher]

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[greynotsoold]

I spend a lot of time everyday with a guy that has sparred many rounds with Floyd; he is very fast and he hits very hard when he so chooses. The thing that stands out to me is his intelligence- you don't hit him the same way twice and, if you try, he will generally make you wish you hadn't.
I think that he and Robinson, at 147, are comparable in hand speed and, at that weight, Robinson moved as well as anybody. It was after his layoff that he stood and punched more. And he was very ring savvy on his own account; through his years at 147 he fought Gavilán twice, Zivic twice, LaMotta a bunch, Servo and Angott twice, Tommy Bell twice, Georgie Abrams, Bernard Docusen, Henry Armstrong. I think you get smarter fighting those guys than you do fighting Corrales, Hatton, Ortiz.
May weather does some things- the wide stance, leaning up on his left foot to jab, leaning on the pull counter (instead of moving weight on his feet)- that he gets away with because of speed and fighting dummies. Robinson is just as fast, just as smart as well as being taller and longer. Plus, he has fought guys with styles similar to Floyd's; Floyd never fought anybody even close to Robinson.

[mikeeod]

Floyd is an ATG but he really is a 140 pounder, where Ray was a big 147 pounder and likely TBE. I pick Ray to stop him. Ray was very fast, almost as good a boxer, but hit MUCH harder and had the toughness to just walk guys down and take their heart. Floyd would make him work for it, but I have Ray winning big.

[Beanflicker]

Robinson is just as fast, just as smart as well as being taller and longer.

You really think Robinson was as fast as Floyd, and as smart as Floyd?

Watching the old tapes, I think Floyd has the speed advantage by a significant margin.

Sugar didn't have near the defensive capabilities as Floyd, and from watching a lot of his fights and juxtaposing him with Floyd, I think Floyd undoubtedly had the advantage in ring IQ. Ray's "choices" weren't always the smartest in terms of when to punch, when to stand and trade, when to defend, when to retreat, ect. The guy was obviously an elite talent, but I think he had to rely on his toughness a lot more than you'd expect a master boxer to do because he wasn't the hardest guy to hit, but he had a great chin. He didn't make adjustments as quick as Floyd, either. He was troubled by Lamotta's jab and never really found a good solution for it until the last fight.

Not saying Robinson couldn't beat Floyd, I just don't see them as equals in speed or ring IQ at all.

[beenKOed]

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I wasn't invited either and I have to say it hurts.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

And as the smartest person on the board, I'm offended that I wasn't tagged in this post.

I wasn't invited either and I have to say it hurts.

Don't be sad. I'm not that good with names!

It's not you, it's me

[Master]

If Sugar would win at 147lb he would wipe Floyd at light middle but the reality is Mayweather would never dare fight such as risky fighter and would wait for a decline, accuse him of PED or weight drain him to make 140lb.

[Beanflicker]

If Sugar would win at 147lb he would wipe Floyd at light middle but the reality is Mayweather would never dare fight such as risky fighter and would wait for a decline, accuse him of PED or weight drain him to make 140lb.

I don't think Floyd would be able to because SRR wouldn't refuse a drug test like a certain Philippino did.

[Master]

If Sugar would win at 147lb he would wipe Floyd at light middle but the reality is Mayweather would never dare fight such as risky fighter and would wait for a decline, accuse him of PED or weight drain him to make 140lb.

I don't think Floyd would be able to because SRR wouldn't refuse a drug test like a certain Philippino did.

Then he would weight drain him, blame Arum, not enough money, not being the first name called in the fight........

[imp]

Good thread.

Right.

Before we discuss who is better..lets talk about their opponents.

Were half of sugar rays opponents boxers or plumbers and carpenters.

Sugar ray is a great fighter but a prime floyd would nulify and destroy rays best weapons.

Floyd is smarter and the only fighter that will walk away from the sport with half a billion (or more) in the bank..

TBE (not the best ever but the best of THIS era!)

[Ron Swanson]

Thes matchups never make sense. Will we discuss SRR vs Holyfield at LHW next? Maybe SRR vs Moorer.

The point is the size difference defeats the purpose of the debate.

SRR almost certainly beats Floyd, means nothing.

[Beanflicker]

He is great at throwing multiple punches at a time and they are dangerous punches (as opposed to scoring punches). He wouldn't be afraid to get hit because he has an excellent chin. Robinson fights aggressive in this fight. He doesn't let Floyd relax. Floyd would have his moments of good counters but he wouldn't throw enough punches to win a decision IMO.

Has to be said though, people said the exact same things about Pac.

[powerpuncher]

He is great at throwing multiple punches at a time and they are dangerous punches (as opposed to scoring punches). He wouldn't be afraid to get hit because he has an excellent chin. Robinson fights aggressive in this fight. He doesn't let Floyd relax. Floyd would have his moments of good counters but he wouldn't throw enough punches to win a decision IMO.

Has to be said though, people said the exact same things about Pac.

Some people said that but definitely not me

SRR was kind of like Roy Jones. He relied a lot on his superior talent but wasn't necessarily the smartest boxer (although I'm not claiming that Robinson wasn't smart). Someone like pac has one way to fight and can't adjust. Robinson knows how to adjust and can dig down deep to win a match if needs be.

I am a big believer in floyds abilities but I can't see him beating Robinson.

[Beanflicker]

Some people said that but definitely not me

SRR was kind of like Roy Jones. He relied a lot on his superior talent but wasn't necessarily the smartest boxer (although I'm not claiming that Robinson wasn't smart). Someone like pac has one way to fight and can't adjust. Robinson knows how to adjust and can dig down deep to win a match if needs be.

I am a big believer in floyds abilities but I can't see him beating Robinson.

That's fair enough and yeah, if one modern era fighter could be compared to SRR it was definitely Roy Jones.