Ray Robinson vs Floyd Maweather @ 147 or 154

[Beanflicker]

F) I don't belive Floyd's isn't currently a natural Welterweight. He is a consummate professional yet couldn't make 144 against Marquez. He has obviously grown over the years so was probably once a natural light welterweight. He was starving himself to make 130.

Look at his weights on fight night compared to his opponent's at WW.

Mayweather: 150
Ortiz: 164

Mayweather: 149
Baldomir: 162

Mayweather: 146 (same as official weigh-in weight)
Judah: 150

Mayweather: 148
Mitchell: 155

That's not a true WW. He really doesn't cut much weight. Most guys are going up 10-15lbs over their weight class the next day.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Doesn't or can't?

The facts point to both.

[Beanflicker]

Doesn't or can't?

The facts point to both.

Well he obviously had to cut weight to make 130 so I assume he can and knows how to. Anyone can sweat 10-15lbs of water out of themselves.

Maybe he's got the right idea with not cutting big weight like most guys do. He's slowed down considerably but still looks great at 38 or 39 or whatever he is.

But if you tell me a guy weights 147-150 on fight day, I assume you're talking about a small junior welterweight or a big light weight.

Look at some of Broner's weights. People say he's too small for WW, but he's come to the ring much heavier than Floyd has, even at Jr WW.

Broner: Official: 141 - Unofficial: 157
Molina: Official: 140 - Unofficial: 154

At 130lbs

Broner: 144
Ponce De Leon: 136

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Well he obviously had to cut weight to make 130 so I assume he can and knows how to. Anyone can sweat 10-15lbs of water out of themselves.

Mayweather didn't eat for three or four days prior to his last fight at Super Featherweight. That's not 'know-how', that's stupidity on Adrien Broner levels. He obviously was NOT a natural Super-Featherweight at that time.

At 130lbs

Broner: 144
Ponce De Leon: 136

Mayweather in the same last fight at Super Featherweight, came into the ring at 137.
7 pounds gained on to man who had starved himself for days prior to the fight.

I dunno man. I'm not a scientist but the facts suggest that some people just aren't 'gainers'. I think Floyd can't cut as much as he doesn't gain.

[Beanflicker]

There's no way Floyd couldn't hook himself up with a guy who could help him cut the weight.

But weight cutting aside, even if Floyd can't cut the weight that's really irrelevant.

It's based on what you come in at fight time.

If you're not entering the ring at around 157 or more, you're not a true WW in the modern sense. And it shows. Floyd gives up big weight to almost every guy he fights.

Against Maidana, Floyd was 148 unofficially (after weighing 146) and Maidana was 165. Floyd's not a true WW.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Okay bro so because Floyd wasn't blowing up to 140+ he wasn't a true FW either?

See sense bro. That's just Floyd. He can't make 144. He's a welterweight. Fact.

[Beanflicker]

Okay bro so because Floyd wasn't blowing up to 140+ he wasn't a true FW either?

See sense bro. That's just Floyd. He can't make 144. He's a welterweight. Fact.

Let me put it simply for you and anyone else who may be confused.

If we took every top 50 WW, took their "unofficial fight time" weight and averaged it off, we'd get a certain number. Obviously we'd have to actually do that to get a real accurate number, but judging by the unofficial weight data I've seen and what I know about cutting weight, I'd estimate it at around 10lbs over the "weigh in weight".

So the average WW weighs in at 147, rehydrates, and comes into the ring weighing around 157. Some guys come in more (Maidana came in at 165, Ortiz 162), some guys I'm sure come in less than that. But we're talking on average.

That unofficial weight is the TRUE size of the WW, because to make 147 they temporarily removed as much water from their bodies as possible. Keith Thurman is not a 147lb man, neither is Porter, Kel Brook, ect. I think we all understand that.

What I'm telling you is that Floyd's TRUE weight, the weight he comes into the ring as, is VERY far below the average WW unofficial weight. Floyd's true unofficial weight is at or below the average true weight of a Jr WW. I guarantee you there are LWs who come into the ring heavier than Floyd does fighting at WW.

So for that reason, I consider Floyd undersized at WW. Is he technically a WW, in that he can make the WW limit? Of course. But he is going to be giving up weight against virtually every opponent he faces.