SugarJ's World Boxing Rankings

[Violent Demise]

I did not know Hernandez retired, that is a shame he did well beating Cunningham to win the title.

Constant injuries led to that decision. But he'll be back. Word is he is not in best shape financially

[Lineal]

Yamanaka drops 2 spots after winning a fight? Really? I had Moreno beating Yamanaka as well. But I thought the fight was competitive and don't consider it a robbery. And defitnaly don't think he should of dropped from the top spot. Moreno deserved to move up. But not to the top spot

I agonized over that decision. On one hand I had Moreno winning handily. Yamanaka had entered at #1 so Moreno should advance over him.

McDonnell has also been on an excellent run so should he be demoted because of Yamanaka's performance? I didn't think that would be fair.

I also had to consider that to fill the vacant championship at this weight a fight would have to involve Moreno (seeing as I saw him beating the top guy). Leaving Yamanaka at #1 and McDonnell second would seem unfair if that fight was made to crown a champion, when I had scored 116-112 for Moreno over Yamanaka.

As it stands the championship can only be filled in a fight involving Moreno. If he fights #2 McDonnell or possibly if he fights a rematch with Yamanaka.

At the end of the day I saw Moreno winning clearly so that is indicated in the rankings.

Why does Yamanaka get punished for a "questionable" win over Moreno while McDonnell gets rewarded for not one but two shameful gift wins over Kameda?

Again it comes down to how I saw the fights. Yamanaka is demoted because I thought he lost clearly. As for the McDonnell vs Kameda fights I had McDonnell winning the first by 114-113, it was close and could have gone either way so neither fighter changed rank. I thought McDonnell won the second fight clearly but Kameda retained his ranking at the time because Payano had just won a very close fight over unranked (at the time) Warren and the fights were competitive with another ranked fighter. Moreno had the Yamanaka bout coming up to make his mark.

I did not know Hernandez retired, that is a shame he did well beating Cunningham to win the title.

Constant injuries led to that decision. But he'll be back. Word is he is not in best shape financially

Hernandez said he needed two successive surgeries, one for his knee followed by elbow surgery. He had already been inactive since last August so he decided to retire. Apparently he is in financial trouble as well.

Here's the Moreno vs Yamanaka fight for anyone that missed it:

[walrus]

Lineal, I think your opinions and knowledge are much respected here. @Master mentioned a while ago about you doing a pound for pound list. I would like to see you do this. Perhaps you want to stay objective which is admirable but most of the guts here No fuck all about boxing and I think you could teach then a lesson . ( that was an insult that used to be thrown around often around here, haven't seen it in a bit, I'm trying to bring it back, ie @Master knows fuck all about boxing)

[TitoFan]

I think Lineal is smart to stay out of the p4p fray. I enjoy his rankings and updates very much as well..... but I think it's better for him to stay out of the mess that is p4p. Those that know f*ck all about boxing wouldn't learn a lesson if it came up from the ground and swallowed them whole.

[Master]

@Lineal do not listen to @walrus suggestion about p4p list he know sweet FA about boxing.

Now get a ring card girl suggestion as a matter of priority.

[Lineal]

Thanks all very much. I'm glad to hear the rankings are being utilized. At the very least they are a reliable source for identifying some of the best fighters in every division.

I thought the new term was: DKSAB

As for P4P; we all have a rough idea of the best fighters around today. I just feel too many focus on that mythical list and who has been ranked ahead of who, instead of just watching these fighters and enjoying the fights. I could care less if someone rated Chocolatito above Ward or Rigondeaux. I understand the debate and used to take part and enjoyed them but now it seems more about trolling and hollering than about analyzing and discussion.

What about a monthly site P4P list? Has that been done? Get the forum to vote and a general feel of what we are all thinking. Then the polls close and the list is posted.

As long as a reasonable amount of good fights and match-ups are made every year I'm happy.

Ring card girls again? I can't promise anything

[Fenster]

McDonnell was a clear winner in the second Kameda fight. The American comms - Paulie and Virgil - were the only two ringside that had Kameda winning. Paulie admitted afterwards that he got it wrong.

I have no idea why people are calling Yamanaka-Moreno a "robbery?" There were a load of 50-50 rounds with Moreno having a big 9th then Yamanaka having a big 10th. Close fight.

(( @Lineal - these are just observations from reading the thread, not a criticism of your ratings))