Master doesn't realize that Chris Byrd did not make Vitali quit

[ElTerribleMorales]

Master thinks that Chris Byrd through tricky and slick combinations over the course of seven or eight rounds and stymied Klitschko in a way that cause Vitaly Klitschko to quit but actually it was his shoulder injury I do not believe that the Klitschko brothers would lie about injuries

Now I thnk it was methat was saying this?

Tell me this... Who else was Vitali fighting in that ring that caused that injury?

We know the Klitschkos dont go in to a fight with an injury

so on that same not I guess you can say that Williams made Tyson quit, even though Mike was running through him before the knee injury

this was Vitali's first big shot, so I wouldn't doubt that he would risk it with what was maybe a lesser injury that just complicated from throwing his punches, Chris Byrd never did shit to either Klitschko

Tyson was stopped in that fight, he quit against McBride

He had also been a pro 20 years at that point in huge fights nearly his entire career. Vitali was young and fresh and had no excuse.

Vitali quit. There is no other description for what he did other than quiting. Its his mentality. He may have gained an injury while trying to hit Byrd and missing but that was caused Byrd. Whats so hard to understand. Watch the fight, hes fine at the end of the last round and just says he doesnt want to fight any more. It was pathetic.

Tyson quit against Williams, he wasn't KO'd, he was asking the ref to help him up for God's sake and chose to stay on the ground, he did what Morales did in his 3rd fight against Pacquiao, lets not rewrite history to help your argument

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Master thinks that Chris Byrd through tricky and slick combinations over the course of seven or eight rounds and stymied Klitschko in a way that cause Vitaly Klitschko to quit but actually it was his shoulder injury I do not believe that the Klitschko brothers would lie about injuries

Now I thnk it was methat was saying this?

Tell me this... Who else was Vitali fighting in that ring that caused that injury?

We know the Klitschkos dont go in to a fight with an injury

so on that same not I guess you can say that Williams made Tyson quit, even though Mike was running through him before the knee injury

this was Vitali's first big shot, so I wouldn't doubt that he would risk it with what was maybe a lesser injury that just complicated from throwing his punches, Chris Byrd never did shit to either Klitschko

Tyson was stopped in that fight, he quit against McBride

He had also been a pro 20 years at that point in huge fights nearly his entire career. Vitali was young and fresh and had no excuse.

Vitali quit. There is no other description for what he did other than quiting. Its his mentality. He may have gained an injury while trying to hit Byrd and missing but that was caused Byrd. Whats so hard to understand. Watch the fight, hes fine at the end of the last round and just says he doesnt want to fight any more. It was pathetic.

Tyson quit against Williams, he wasn't KO'd, he was asking the ref to help him up for God's sake and chose to stay on the ground, he did what Morales did in his 3rd fight against Pacquiao, lets not rewrite history to help your argument

How is that helping my argument?

Tyson was a million miles past his best!! Vitali was in the prime of his life

Tyson got counted out in that fight, he couldnt get up without assistance, he didnt walk back to his corner after getting roughed up by one of the weakest punching heavyweight champs ever and just say "i dont want to fight anymore".

[brocktonblockbust]

vitali quit on his own, byrd didnt help

[brocktonblockbust]

So according to my thread title is master finally realizing that vitalyI had nothing to do with Chris Byrd making him retire during that fight but that vItaly himself was the one who refused to go on?

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So according to my thread title is master finally realizing that vitalyI had nothing to do with Chris Byrd making him retire during that fight but that vItaly himself was the one who refused to go on?

Your going round in circles. It was me not master that said Byrd made Vitali quit.

It was Byrd Vitali didnt want to come out to the next round. It was Byrd that Vitali never wanted to rematch.

Id like to say iv put my point across and will leave you to carry on now but I know I wont be able to. To me its black and white. Vitali had an injury like other fighters get but unlike other fighters he chose to quit rather than soldier on, just see the rest of the rounds out and win.

[brocktonblockbust]

My thread title contains a double negative. I said that master does not realize That Bird did NOT make vatali quit. I'm reaLYl I'm saying that bird did NOT make Klitschko quit .... master dIDNT agree originally with that point alone. I fully realize that you are saying that Klitschko should have been a warrior and simply dog himself through the final three of four rounds since he was so far ahead on points. It really was a piss poor performance but I have to give him credit he certainly did not quit against Lennox Lewis he certainly did not quit and so therefore I think he did not really have dog in him the same way that flat amir is made of 100-percent k9 dog

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My thread title contains a double negative. I said that master does not realize That Bird did NOT make vatali quit. I'm reaLYl I'm saying that bird did NOT make Klitschko quit .... master dIDNT agree originally with that point alone. I fully realize that you are saying that Klitschko should have been a warrior and simply dog himself through the final three of four rounds since he was so far ahead on points. It really was a piss poor performance but I have to give him credit he certainly did not quit against Lennox Lewis he certainly did not quit and so therefore I think he did not really have dog in him the same way that flat amir is made of 100-percent k9 dog

He didnt have a choice to quit against Lewis. The ref stopped that fight.

Vitali said in the Byrd fight he didnt want to fight on.

Whats the difference in those fights?

Lewis slumped to his stool exhausted but Byrd was still fresh as a daisy and Vitali was tiring.

[No Contest]

Vitali could very well be 47-0. He wasn't behind on anyone's scorecards. Shit happens with injuries in the ring....just ask Henry Cooper. Now way in hell Chris Byrd got to Vitali mentally with a boxing clinic...he was down on the cards. Lennox fight is a toss up who knows how it would have turned out with those two big punchers.

[No Contest]

One thing to mention though Danny Williams did not quit with only one arm...just saying. It's hard to defend someone going out on their stool by their own accord.

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vitali quit on his own, byrd didnt help

Vitali could very well be 47-0. He wasn't behind on anyone's scorecards. Shit happens with injuries in the ring....just ask Henry Cooper. Now way in hell Chris Byrd got to Vitali mentally with a boxing clinic...he was down on the cards. Lennox fight is a toss up who knows how it would have turned out with those two big punchers.

Who else was the opponent?

He quit. He didnt want to be in the ring facing Byrd any more, not any other fighter. It was Byrd who was throwing punches at him. No matter how you try to say it Vitali quit against Byrd. If Byrd was an easy touch Vitali would have continued because he was so far ahead but he didnt. He quit and quit against Byrd. He couldnt face another round against Byrd.

Also, he never rematched him, ask yourself why.

Same reason Wlad never rematched Sanders. Those brothers are mentally weak. They didnt have the strength of character someone like Lewis did to redeem themselves against those fighters that beat them. They couldnt face getting in the ring with them again for fear of not being able to overcome the problems they faced previously.

Dont try and make excuses for either of them, they are big and rich enough to deal with their failings.

[Master]

You are being too harsh.

Any boxer can get injured in a fight and it does not matter who was their opponent at the time.

Wlad did avenge his loss to Brewster and dominated the division.

When Fury beats Wlad, it will be a top heavyweight he has beaten not a mentally weak one.

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You are being too harsh.

Any boxer can get injured in a fight and it does not matter who was their opponent at the time.

Wlad did avenge his loss to Brewster and dominated the division.

When Fury beats Wlad, it will be a top heavyweight he has beaten not a mentally weak one.

Wlad faced Brewster in a rematch 3 years later and Brewster coming off a loss. There was no imediate rematch, or even after a fight in between. Look at Lewis v Rahman. Lewis suffered a bad bad defeat and one that may have needed time to fix any confidence problems but he jumped straight back in and anhialated him.

He didnt rematch Sanders or Purrity. Vitali didnt rematch Byrd and there is a reason for that. Its not harsh to think that a supposedly such superior fighter couldnt continue with one arm. Many other great fighters have done it. Look at the mess Abraham was with his jaw litterally smashed to pieces and hanging from his face. There is no argument, the pair of them have that weak ess about them and I reckon if Tyson doesnt kncok Wlad out, that Klitschko trait will rear its ugly head and like Vitali did, Wlad will find a reason to stay in the corner.

[beenKOed]

You are being too harsh.

Any boxer can get injured in a fight and it does not matter who was their opponent at the time.

Wlad did avenge his loss to Brewster and dominated the division.

When Fury beats Wlad, it will be a top heavyweight he has beaten not a mentally weak one.

Wlad faced Brewster in a rematch 3 years later and Brewster coming off a loss. There was no imediate rematch, or even after a fight in between. Look at Lewis v Rahman. Lewis suffered a bad bad defeat and one that may have needed time to fix any confidence problems but he jumped straight back in and anhialated him.

He didnt rematch Sanders or Purrity. Vitali didnt rematch Byrd and there is a reason for that. Its not harsh to think that a supposedly such superior fighter couldnt continue with one arm. Many other great fighters have done it. Look at the mess Abraham was with his jaw litterally smashed to pieces and hanging from his face. There is no argument, the pair of them have that weak ess about them and I reckon if Tyson doesnt kncok Wlad out, that Klitschko trait will rear its ugly head and like Vitali did, Wlad will find a reason to stay in the corner.

Ross, has Wlad dominated the heavyweight division for a good while? The answer is yes. So when this coward beats Tyson, how is that going to make Tyson look?