My thread title contains a double negative. I said that master does not realize That Bird did NOT make vatali quit. I'm reaLYl I'm saying that bird did NOT make Klitschko quit .... master dIDNT agree originally with that point alone. I fully realize that you are saying that Klitschko should have been a warrior and simply dog himself through the final three of four rounds since he was so far ahead on points. It really was a piss poor performance but I have to give him credit he certainly did not quit against Lennox Lewis he certainly did not quit and so therefore I think he did not really have dog in him the same way that flat amir is made of 100-percent k9 dog