2002 Lennox Lewis vs 1988 Mike Tyson

[Britkid]

Tyson did not struggle with big fighters he beat them relatively easy it is just that you could count on one hand the moments of success they had ie Tucker right uppercut 2nd round, Bonecrusher right hand in 12th round ect

That was how good Tyson was.

You are right to point out pre 1990 that he did not struggle to beat the bigger physical fighters. But he clearly had periods of frustration against Tillis, Green, Ribalta, Smith and Tucker, as all five used their size to neutralize his awesome offence, but at a cost of very limited offence in return.

Which is where I think Lennox would fight too defensively and lose the fight albeit by decision.

Lewis was as defensively sound as any of them fighters, but his offence blows them all out the water and only Smith can claim parity in the power stakes.

Tyson never won a fight that was in the balance after six rounds, Lewis always found a way to beat his opponent in the end, from that position.

The only hope for Tyson is that Lewis' alter ego Lummox shows up, and then Mike can win a shootout inside four rounds.

[Master]

Tyson did not struggle with big fighters he beat them relatively easy it is just that you could count on one hand the moments of success they had ie Tucker right uppercut 2nd round, Bonecrusher right hand in 12th round ect

That was how good Tyson was.

You are right to point out pre 1990 that he did not struggle to beat the bigger physical fighters. But he clearly had periods of frustration against Tillis, Green, Ribalta, Smith and Tucker, as all five used their size to neutralize his awesome offence, but at a cost of very limited offence in return.

Which is where I think Lennox would fight too defensively and lose the fight albeit by decision.

Lewis was as defensively sound as any of them fighters, but his offence blows them all out the water and only Smith can claim parity in the power stakes.

Tyson never won a fight that was in the balance after six rounds, Lewis always found a way to beat his opponent in the end, from that position.

The only hope for Tyson is that Lewis' alter ego Lummox shows up, and then Mike can win a shootout inside four rounds.

No doubt Lewis was better than Tyson's opponents he beat during that period but not good enough to beat Tyson.

[Fenster]

Reading through the thread i've decided Lewis would have beat prime Mike. Too strong, too intelligent. However, prime Mike would start favourite over any heavyweight in history.

[Britkid]

Reading through the thread i've decided Lewis would have beat prime Mike. Too strong, too intelligent. However, prime Mike would start favourite over any heavyweight in history.

I think you have summed it up.

Tyson brought so many people into the sport, there is an emotional attachment that warps opinion on him. I always say he is the most underrated overrated fighter boxing has seen.

[Primo Carnera]

Reading through the thread i've decided Lewis would have beat prime Mike. Too strong, too intelligent. However, prime Mike would start favourite over any heavyweight in history.

I think you have summed it up.

Tyson brought so many people into the sport, there is an emotional attachment that warps opinion on him. I always say he is boxing's most underrated overrated fighter boxing has seen.

Ok, so let me get this right? Are you 2 saying Lewis beats every single HW in history?
Or are we just having a play with words here and saying something but not saying anything?

[Britkid]

Reading through the thread i've decided Lewis would have beat prime Mike. Too strong, too intelligent. However, prime Mike would start favourite over any heavyweight in history.

I think you have summed it up.

Tyson brought so many people into the sport, there is an emotional attachment that warps opinion on him. I always say he is boxing's most underrated overrated fighter boxing has seen.

Ok, so let me get this right? Are you 2 saying Lewis beats every single HW in history?
Or are we just having a play with words here and saying something but not saying anything?

I am saying Tyson warps opinion, and is probably somewhere in the middle, which means he is arguably a top ten Heavyweight. Lewis is generally considered a top ten Heavyweight, but personally I would place him in the bottom half of that ten.

[Primo Carnera]

Reading through the thread i've decided Lewis would have beat prime Mike. Too strong, too intelligent. However, prime Mike would start favourite over any heavyweight in history.

I think you have summed it up.

Tyson brought so many people into the sport, there is an emotional attachment that warps opinion on him. I always say he is boxing's most underrated overrated fighter boxing has seen.

Ok, so let me get this right? Are you 2 saying Lewis beats every single HW in history?
Or are we just having a play with words here and saying something but not saying anything?

I am saying Tyson warps opinion, and is probably somewhere in the middle, which means he is arguably a top ten Heavyweight. Lewis is generally considered a top ten Heavyweight, but personally I would place him in the bottom half of that ten.

Ok, so you 2 are playing with words. First Fenster says (and you agreed), that "Tyson would start favourite over every HW in history" but Lewis beats him. That implies that Tyson is the best HW in history EXCEPT for Lewis. But then you say Lewis is lower half of top 10 and Tyson below him
You also constantly used Tyson after 88, before 88, but never the 88 version to make
Your futile point , and also manage to bring Joe Louis into the equation. I still can't fathom out what the fuck Joe Louis has to do with this thread
Also, you pick out one isolated sentence in a 4 paragraph post to further try to emphasise your point (unsuccessfully) and then try to "prove"that Tyson was intimidated with a you tube video (admittedly you never posted,but nonetheless agreed with) that merely shows a young frustrated guy with emotions! He still went out and KTFO of everyone that came his way. Yes there's fear, every boxer has it, but some harness and utilise it to get the job done.
He was hardly shitting his pants at his opponent was he?
Finally, I've ranted on and on here, but I'm going to sum your argument up in 3 simple words.........CLUTCHING AT STRAWS!

[ross]

Reading through the thread i've decided Lewis would have beat prime Mike. Too strong, too intelligent. However, prime Mike would start favourite over any heavyweight in history.

I think you have summed it up.

Tyson brought so many people into the sport, there is an emotional attachment that warps opinion on him. I always say he is boxing's most underrated overrated fighter boxing has seen.

Name another fighter in any division that has defended the unified WBC, WBA and IBF titles sucessfully 6 times in one run.

That fighter is not an over rated fighter. That fighter has had to fight everyone.

[Britkid]

Reading through the thread i've decided Lewis would have beat prime Mike. Too strong, too intelligent. However, prime Mike would start favourite over any heavyweight in history.

I think you have summed it up.

Tyson brought so many people into the sport, there is an emotional attachment that warps opinion on him. I always say he is boxing's most underrated overrated fighter boxing has seen.

Name another fighter in any division that has defended the unified WBC, WBA and IBF titles sucessfully 6 times in one run.

That fighter is not an over rated fighter. That fighter has had to fight everyone.

James J Jeffries, Tommy Burns, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano and Muhammad Ali did not get the chance because only, for some, the NBA (renamed WBA in 1962) existed. So they did not get to fight for the WBA and two of its bastard children. But were all generally considered champions who made six successful defences, unlike Mike, who made two...

[ross]

Reading through the thread i've decided Lewis would have beat prime Mike. Too strong, too intelligent. However, prime Mike would start favourite over any heavyweight in history.

I think you have summed it up.

Tyson brought so many people into the sport, there is an emotional attachment that warps opinion on him. I always say he is boxing's most underrated overrated fighter boxing has seen.

Name another fighter in any division that has defended the unified WBC, WBA and IBF titles sucessfully 6 times in one run.

That fighter is not an over rated fighter. That fighter has had to fight everyone.

James J Jeffries, Tommy Burns, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano and Muhammad Ali did not get the chance because only, for some, the NBA (renamed WBA in 1962) existed. So they did not get to fight for the WBA and two of its bastard children. But were all generally considered champions who made six successful defences, unlike Mike, who made two...

Dont give me that shit!

It was easier to avoid certain fighters years ago with one title than it is now!!

You will find alot of those older champs wouldnt have kept 3 belts together because it meant having so many mandatory defences. The belts would be no less fractired than they are now.

[Master]

I think the general consensus was that Tyson would win until Fenster causes trouble and starts stirring.

Lewis would be the best opponent Tyson would have faced but I do no think he had enough to beat Tyson only to survive 12 round. If Lennox opened up he would have been sparked out. Even when they fought Lennox was too reluctant to let his hands go and Manny Stewart was pleading with him to finish him off.