Republican Candidate Poll

[Kirkland Laing]

Kirk, I don't know if you know this but Goldwater, who ran for president was born in Arizona when it was a territory, not a state. McCain may have been born in coco solo or a nearby hospital. The constitution states Natural Born Citizen but does not define. There is a letter betwixt Washington and Jay regarding the issue. Basically, we care getting into constitutional interpretation. Currently, if you are born overseas to us parents you are an american citizen. Could it be brought to the supreme court and fought, yes, but it hasn't, although it was threatened during both Goldwater, McCain and at least one other. Birthrite citizenship of the us could also be argued but at the time being is a accepted

I'm curious kirk, you say Cruz is not an american. Fact being, he is and until the supreme court rules otherwise, he will remain so.

I'm going to go with the considered opinion of the Harvard Emeritus Professor of Constitutional Law. A Mexican-Canadian may be the next President.

[walrus]

Kirk, I don't know if you know this but Goldwater, who ran for president was born in Arizona when it was a territory, not a state. McCain may have been born in coco solo or a nearby hospital. The constitution states Natural Born Citizen but does not define. There is a letter betwixt Washington and Jay regarding the issue. Basically, we care getting into constitutional interpretation. Currently, if you are born overseas to us parents you are an american citizen. Could it be brought to the supreme court and fought, yes, but it hasn't, although it was threatened during both Goldwater, McCain and at least one other. Birthrite citizenship of the us could also be argued but at the time being is a accepted

I'm curious kirk, you say Cruz is not an american. Fact being, he is and until the supreme court rules otherwise, he will remain so.

I'm going to go with the considered opinion of the Harvard Emeritus Professor of Constitutional Law. A Mexican-Canadian may be the next President.

So one professor against current law. You sound more like trump everyday.

[X]

If Americans were willing to accept that John McEnroe is an American, then they should up use the same logic to admit that these guys are Americans too!

[Gandalf]

Very good presentation from Molyneux pointing out all the media lies and distortions about Trump. The media are a sad lot. A bunch of trolls who manipulate the words of others to perpetuate the status quo and desperately cling on to their careers. It hasn't always been this way but contemporary mainstream media is dire.

The more I factually hear about Trump, the more he seems reasonable, certainly put aside the other drones who rely on Goldman Sachs handouts. It's a corrupt system, but at least Trump can just be himself.

[Spicoli]

That was painful. We've kneecapped the hope/need for actual change and settled on cartoon characters and tired punch line screeching that didn't work before. The only thing Trump needs now is Palin letting out a massive Ric Flair WOOOOOOO

The inability or want to find a viable alternative from both angles speaks volumes to the depth of shit we're in now and what we will continue to tolerate.

[walrus]

That was painful. We've kneecapped the hope/need for actual change and settled on cartoon characters and tired punch line screeching that didn't work before. The only thing Trump needs now is Palin letting out a massive Ric Flair WOOOOOOO

The inability or want to find a viable alternative from both angles speaks volumes to the depth of shit we're in now and what we will continue to tolerate.

Who would you like to see run?

[Kirkland Laing]

Kirk, I don't know if you know this but Goldwater, who ran for president was born in Arizona when it was a territory, not a state. McCain may have been born in coco solo or a nearby hospital. The constitution states Natural Born Citizen but does not define. There is a letter betwixt Washington and Jay regarding the issue. Basically, we care getting into constitutional interpretation. Currently, if you are born overseas to us parents you are an american citizen. Could it be brought to the supreme court and fought, yes, but it hasn't, although it was threatened during both Goldwater, McCain and at least one other. Birthrite citizenship of the us could also be argued but at the time being is a accepted

I'm curious kirk, you say Cruz is not an american. Fact being, he is and until the supreme court rules otherwise, he will remain so.

I'm going to go with the considered opinion of the Harvard Emeritus Professor of Constitutional Law. A Mexican-Canadian may be the next President.

So one professor against current law. You sound more like trump everyday.

Ah but it's not current law. It's a murky area that has never been adjudicated in court.


There’s more than meets the eye in the ongoing dustup over whether Ted Cruz is eligible to serve as president, which under the Constitution comes down to whether he’s a “natural born citizen” despite his 1970 Canadian birth. Senator Cruz contends his eligibility is “settled” by naturalization laws Congress enacted long ago. But those laws didn’t address, much less resolve, the matter of presidential eligibility, and no Supreme Court decision in the past two centuries has ever done so. In truth, the constitutional definition of a “natural born citizen” is completely unsettled, as the most careful scholarship on the question has concluded. Needless to say, Cruz would never take Donald Trump’s advice to ask a court whether the Cruz definition is correct, because that would in effect confess doubt where Cruz claims there is certainty.
People are entitled to their own opinions about what the definition ought to be. But the kind of judge Cruz says he admires and would appoint to the Supreme Court is an “originalist,” one who claims to be bound by the narrowly historical meaning of the Constitution’s terms at the time of their adoption. To his kind of judge, Cruz ironically wouldn’t be eligible, because the legal principles that prevailed in the 1780s and ’90s required that someone actually be born on US soil to be a “natural born” citizen. Even having two US parents wouldn’t suffice. And having just an American mother, as Cruz did, would have been insufficient at a time that made patrilineal descent decisive.


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When Cruz was my constitutional law student at Harvard, he aced the course after making a big point of opposing my views in class — arguing stridently for sticking with the “original meaning” against the idea of a more elastic “living Constitution” whenever such ideas came up. I enjoyed jousting with him, but Ted never convinced me — nor did I convince him.
At least he was consistent in those days. Now, he seems to be a fair weather originalist, abandoning that method’s narrow constraints when it suits his ambition


https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/...GoK/story.html

[walrus]

It is murky, but he is an american citizen. What is truly murky is birthrite citizenship. If an american couple have a child while traveling in China, the child is not automatically a Chinese citizen, he or she is a. American citizen. Reverse the couple, Chinese citizens have a baby in the us, the child is american.

Since Cruz is a citizen, it would be highly unlikely his citizenship would be revoked. Laws can't be ex post facto but a ruling by the courts could change it for future generations. As for Cruz, the argument is moot. He is currently a citizen and that ain't gonna change, sorry.

[Kirkland Laing]

It is murky, but he is an american citizen. What is truly murky is birthrite citizenship. If an american couple have a child while traveling in China, the child is not automatically a Chinese citizen, he or she is a. American citizen. Reverse the couple, Chinese citizens have a baby in the us, the child is american.

Since Cruz is a citizen, it would be highly unlikely his citizenship would be revoked. Laws can't be ex post facto but a ruling by the courts could change it for future generations. As for Cruz, the argument is moot. He is currently a citizen and that ain't gonna change, sorry.

Born in Calgary, Canada, as an anchor baby for an illegal Mexican immigrant. Yes sirree, as American as apple pie. He was a Canadian citizen too up to a few years ago. I think we need to see the mother's birth certificate. The long form version too, the actual original copy. So we can check the kerning and make sure it's real. Why haven't we seen the birth certificate?

[Kirkland Laing]

No matter which one of these idiots ends up winning there's one huge problem down the line. We're going to see an economic downturn and the only way out of it will be massive government spending, serious spending of a trillion or two dollars.

But at least the House if not the Senate won't give any prez any amount of money like that. And we may well get a prez who thinks that government spending isn't the answer to the downturn but instead cutting spending and support for the financial system a la 1930s Mellonite liquidationist theory which turned a market collapse into the Depression.

So the likely range of policy response to the next recession goes from do nothing to make it much worse. And unfortunately with the next one even doing nothing is not an option.

[walrus]

No matter which one of these idiots ends up winning there's one huge problem down the line. We're going to see an economic downturn and the only way out of it will be massive government spending, serious spending of a trillion or two dollars.

But at least the House if not the Senate won't give any prez any amount of money like that. And we may well get a prez who thinks that government spending isn't the answer to the downturn but instead cutting spending and support for the financial system a la 1930s Mellonite liquidationist theory which turned a market collapse into the Depression.

So the likely range of policy response to the next recession goes from do nothing to make it much worse. And unfortunately with the next one even doing nothing is not an option.

Utter utter bullshit

[Kirkland Laing]

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It is murky, but he is an american citizen. What is truly murky is birthrite citizenship. If an american couple have a child while traveling in China, the child is not automatically a Chinese citizen, he or she is a. American citizen. Reverse the couple, Chinese citizens have a baby in the us, the child is american.

Since Cruz is a citizen, it would be highly unlikely his citizenship would be revoked. Laws can't be ex post facto but a ruling by the courts could change it for future generations. As for Cruz, the argument is moot. He is currently a citizen and that ain't gonna change, sorry.

Born in Calgary, Canada, as an anchor baby for an illegal Mexican immigrant. Yes sirree, as American as apple pie. He was a Canadian citizen too up to a few years ago. I think we need to see the mother's birth certificate. The long form version too, the actual original copy. So we can check the kerning and make sure it's real. Why haven't we seen the birth certificate?

Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump told a New Hampshire crowd Friday morning that his rival Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) was "an anchor baby in Canada."

Trump Calls Cruz 'An Anchor Baby In Canada' (VIDEO)


Come up with your own lines Trump.

[Kirkland Laing]

If Trump loses tonight it will absolutely crush him.