Britain vote to leave the EU

[Britkid]

Your children will still be able to live and work overseas, so I do not understand that argument. At the end of the day if you don't want the Tories then don't vote for them. How is being in an undemocratic institution like the EU meant to solve anything? It is incapable of reform. They offer a few trinkets, but that does not justify it.

If people would rally around Corbyn they might stand a chance, but I see he is busy fending off snakes. Get Labour in and forget about the EU. It's an uphill battle because Labour has lost Scotland and people know it's full of snakes. I have sympathy about that, but not about stock markets or the EU. Rather than fantasy it is just reality.

The EU is far more democratic than the UK. We in the UK do not have a say who governs us in the executive nor do we have any say who is in the upper house. Money is the only way to have influence on this.

The only Democracy the UK offers for free is the chance have a say in who is the representative of 1/650th of the lower house. It is likely that, that representative shall win their election by picking up less than 50% of those who vote for them, and yet that is better than other scenario which sees many seats already resolved before a vote is even given, as it is shown time and time again a hundred seats tops, decide the makeup of the lower house. So you have around 100/650 chance of being relevant to have a 1/60,000 influence in deciding 1/100 of the seats that mould the executive.

So without money the citizen of the UK has no democratic input into the Executive; that is for the Monarch to decide; has no input into the upper house; that is for the Executive to decide; and has on average a 1/39,250,000 influence on the makeup of the lower house...

At least EU elections (for the lower house) are done on proportional representation, thus you do not have to be voting for the seats that are relevant to the executive's makeup.

[Gandalf]

Your children will still be able to live and work overseas, so I do not understand that argument. At the end of the day if you don't want the Tories then don't vote for them. How is being in an undemocratic institution like the EU meant to solve anything? It is incapable of reform. They offer a few trinkets, but that does not justify it.

If people would rally around Corbyn they might stand a chance, but I see he is busy fending off snakes. Get Labour in and forget about the EU. It's an uphill battle because Labour has lost Scotland and people know it's full of snakes. I have sympathy about that, but not about stock markets or the EU. Rather than fantasy it is just reality.

The EU is far more democratic than the UK. We in the UK do not have a say who governs us in the executive nor do we have any say who is in the upper house. Money is the only way to have influence on this.

The only Democracy the UK offers for free is the chance have a say in who is the representative of 1/650th of the lower house. It is likely that, that representative shall win their election by picking up less than 50% of those who vote for them, and yet that is better than other scenario which sees many seats already resolved before a vote is even given, as it is shown time and time again a hundred seats tops, decide the makeup of the lower house. So you have around 100/650 chance of being relevant to have a 1/60,000 influence in deciding 1/100 of the seats that mould the executive.

So without money the citizen of the UK has no democratic input into the Executive; that is for the Monarch to decide; has no input into the upper house; that is for the Executive to decide; and has on average a 1/39,250,000 influence on the makeup of the lower house...

At least EU elections (for the lower house) are done on proportional representation, thus you do not have to be voting for the seats that are relevant to the executive's makeup.

That isn't democratic at all then. So why is there no revolution to crash it all down? That was historically how things get fixed. The UK has issues. A bloody monarchy too? What's that all about? House of Lords. The UK system does suck a tad.

[Britkid]

That isn't democratic at all then. So why is there no revolution to crash it all down? That was historically how things get fixed. The UK has issues. A bloody monarchy too? What's that all about? House of Lords. The UK system does suck a tad.

The UK does not do Revolution; whenever crisis arises the Monarch/Executive sells minor changes as the resolution to the problem, if that does not work they spin the fear of change as another answer. Some minor asides, these tactics have worked since the Union has begun, this is the first time it has seemingly failed in over three hundred years. There maybe interesting times ahead...