Where do you rank Terrence Crawford P4P?

[powerpuncher]

Probably #5 after kovalev, ward, GGG, and chocolatito. But he could definitely have a case for being higher.

[SlimTrae]

Top 3-5.

[Ron Swanson]

Probably #5 after kovalev, ward, GGG, and chocolatito. But he could definitely have a case for being higher.

How are GGG and Kovalev above Crawford? Crawford has proven he is the best in 2 weight classes. While we assume GGG and Kovalev are the best in their 1 weight class each neither has proven it by beating the tops guys. And Ward, well, he proved it years ago but he hasn't done anything since. To me Kovalev/Ward are fighting for their spot later this year. Chocolatito is number 1 for sure.

[Primo Carnera]

Probably #5 after kovalev, ward, GGG, and chocolatito. But he could definitely have a case for being higher.

How are GGG and Kovalev above Crawford? Crawford has proven he is the best in 2 weight classes. While we assume GGG and Kovalev are the best in their 1 weight class each neither has proven it by beating the tops guys. And Ward, well, he proved it years ago but he hasn't done anything since. To me Kovalev/Ward are fighting for their spot later this year. Chocolatito is number 1 for sure.

I was thinking exactly the same. After they fight, one of them is going to be top 3, and one will go down quite a bit. Crawford is definitely top 5 , maybe top 3 , and I believe he could end up no.1 .
Now I'm not a fan of p4p rankings as there are so many subjectives and it's pretty meaningless. But one thing I would say is if Brook were to beat GGG (extremely unlikely I know.), then IMO he jumps from top 10-15 to no.1!

[Spicoli]

I'm still trying to figure out what defines p4p. I've defaulted to thinking it a sale tag and all for marketing now. Could go a hundred ways. Think he's a more complete capable boxer than a Golovkin but without the speed and dominating foot and hands of a Loma. Than again what they are doing is all attributed to who they are doing it against? Rigo ahead of Crawford and Canelo shouldn't even be on the list.

[Ron Swanson]

I'm still trying to figure out what defines p4p. I've defaulted to thinking it a sale tag and all for marketing now. Could go a hundred ways. Think he's a more complete capable boxer than a Golovkin but without the speed and dominating foot and hands of a Loma. Than again what they are doing is all attributed to who they are doing it against? Rigo ahead of Crawford and Canelo shouldn't even be on the list.

So that's

1)Chocolatito
2)Rigo
3)Crawford

Or Loma ahead as well?

I can never figure out who should be at the top. It's much easier to figure who shouldn't be. For me it is almost all about what you have done. A slight adjustment for what I think you can go on to do. But it seems many think of what they think you can do first. I don't like that approach because we are all wrong from time to time. But we're never wrong about what already happened. As you said, Canelo is not anywhere unless the list is long.

[p4pking]

I'm still trying to figure out what defines p4p. I've defaulted to thinking it a sale tag and all for marketing now. Could go a hundred ways. Think he's a more complete capable boxer than a Golovkin but without the speed and dominating foot and hands of a Loma. Than again what they are doing is all attributed to who they are doing it against? Rigo ahead of Crawford and Canelo shouldn't even be on the list.

So that's

1)Chocolatito
2)Rigo
3)Crawford

Or Loma ahead as well?

I can never figure out who should be at the top. It's much easier to figure who shouldn't be. For me it is almost all about what you have done. A slight adjustment for what I think you can go on to do. But it seems many think of what they think you can do first. I don't like that approach because we are all wrong from time to time. But we're never wrong about what already happened. As you said, Canelo is not anywhere unless the list is long.

On what basis is Chocalatito clearly number 1 then? I'm 100% asking and not trying to antagonize, as I don't follow the lower weights closely and wouldn't know how good many of his opponents were.
Still, it strikes me that most people do have him as the top guy based more on how good he looks relative to everyone else around his weight, no? If you only factor in relative attributes and skills, wouldn't a tiny guy almost always be the best boxer in the world? It's physically impossible for a reasonably sized man to be as dexterous as someone who is almost legally a midget.

[Gandalf]

Number 17. I have only seen him twice and this time out I thought he looked lazy against a very limited 1-2 fighter. James Toney would knock him out.

[Ron Swanson]

I'm still trying to figure out what defines p4p. I've defaulted to thinking it a sale tag and all for marketing now. Could go a hundred ways. Think he's a more complete capable boxer than a Golovkin but without the speed and dominating foot and hands of a Loma. Than again what they are doing is all attributed to who they are doing it against? Rigo ahead of Crawford and Canelo shouldn't even be on the list.

So that's

1)Chocolatito
2)Rigo
3)Crawford

Or Loma ahead as well?

I can never figure out who should be at the top. It's much easier to figure who shouldn't be. For me it is almost all about what you have done. A slight adjustment for what I think you can go on to do. But it seems many think of what they think you can do first. I don't like that approach because we are all wrong from time to time. But we're never wrong about what already happened. As you said, Canelo is not anywhere unless the list is long.

On what basis is Chocalatito clearly number 1 then? I'm 100% asking and not trying to antagonize, as I don't follow the lower weights closely and wouldn't know how good many of his opponents were.
Still, it strikes me that most people do have him as the top guy based more on how good he looks relative to everyone else around his weight, no? If you only factor in relative attributes and skills, wouldn't a tiny guy almost always be the best boxer in the world? It's physically impossible for a reasonably sized man to be as dexterous as someone who is almost legally a midget.

Well first thing is the little guys are far far better. Like you say they have far better dexterity. But about Chocolatito. He has been champion for 8 years, 15 title fights 15 victories and that is spanning 3 weight classes. Guy is only 5'3" yet in September he is moving on to challenge for a title in a 4th weightclass. And while most of the little guys hold their titles hostage in their countries Gonzalez has been a road warrior. Since his first title he has fought more in Japan than his home country, an equal number of fights in Mexico as his home country and after his fight in September he will have fought more times in the USA than his home country since his first title fight. BTW, he has fought 0 title fights in his home country. He has the accomplishments to consider him for the top. It isn't just that he looks so damn good.

I mean where would GGG be ranked if he moved up to 168, won the title, defended it a few times, then moved up to 175 and won the title then defended it a few times then moved up to challenge for a title at Cruiserweight

[Ron Swanson]

Probably #5 after kovalev, ward, GGG, and chocolatito. But he could definitely have a case for being higher.

How are GGG and Kovalev above Crawford? Crawford has proven he is the best in 2 weight classes. While we assume GGG and Kovalev are the best in their 1 weight class each neither has proven it by beating the tops guys. And Ward, well, he proved it years ago but he hasn't done anything since. To me Kovalev/Ward are fighting for their spot later this year. Chocolatito is number 1 for sure.

I was thinking exactly the same. After they fight, one of them is going to be top 3, and one will go down quite a bit. Crawford is definitely top 5 , maybe top 3 , and I believe he could end up no.1 .
Now I'm not a fan of p4p rankings as there are so many subjectives and it's pretty meaningless. But one thing I would say is if Brook were to beat GGG (extremely unlikely I know.), then IMO he jumps from top 10-15 to no.1!

I wouldn't know what the hell to do with Brook if he pulled that off. Honestly I hadn't even considered it because I don't think he stands a chance. But I will say it would be hard to move him past Chocolatito for me. Anyone moving past Chocolatito would be hard for me. That dude is legit.

[Primo Carnera]

Probably #5 after kovalev, ward, GGG, and chocolatito. But he could definitely have a case for being higher.

How are GGG and Kovalev above Crawford? Crawford has proven he is the best in 2 weight classes. While we assume GGG and Kovalev are the best in their 1 weight class each neither has proven it by beating the tops guys. And Ward, well, he proved it years ago but he hasn't done anything since. To me Kovalev/Ward are fighting for their spot later this year. Chocolatito is number 1 for sure.

I was thinking exactly the same. After they fight, one of them is going to be top 3, and one will go down quite a bit. Crawford is definitely top 5 , maybe top 3 , and I believe he could end up no.1 .
Now I'm not a fan of p4p rankings as there are so many subjectives and it's pretty meaningless. But one thing I would say is if Brook were to beat GGG (extremely unlikely I know.), then IMO he jumps from top 10-15 to no.1!

I wouldn't know what the hell to do with Brook if he pulled that off. Honestly I hadn't even considered it because I don't think he stands a chance. But I will say it would be hard to move him past Chocolatito for me. Anyone moving past Chocolatito would be hard for me. That dude is legit.

Agree with that because Chocolatito has done it at multiple weights for a long time and I don't think anyone should jump above him, so in hindsight he could only go to no.2.
and for the record, I really don't think Brook can win (although I think he'll be more of a challenge for GGG than people think.) and the reason I said he jumps to the top , is because beating a guy who is one of the more dominant Champions at over a stone above your weight would be a ridiculous feat.
as a comparison, we both know if GGG went directly up in his next fight to challenge Kovalev with no CW's and beat him, rightly or wrongly people would be putting him at the top of the tree.
I really don't see the point of p4p rankings , but going back on the original post, Crawford is up there and I can only see his p4p position improving.

[Master]

How did Ward maintain his place? He has not been active and is at a new weight fighting poor fighters.

[Sleepwalker]

If actual performances are factored into this, Kovalev has to drop a spot or two.

Or do you write it off as a not so great night?

[powerpuncher]

Probably #5 after kovalev, ward, GGG, and chocolatito. But he could definitely have a case for being higher.

How are GGG and Kovalev above Crawford? Crawford has proven he is the best in 2 weight classes. While we assume GGG and Kovalev are the best in their 1 weight class each neither has proven it by beating the tops guys. And Ward, well, he proved it years ago but he hasn't done anything since. To me Kovalev/Ward are fighting for their spot later this year. Chocolatito is number 1 for sure.

Kovalev has destroyed his opposition at LHW and Stevenson won't fight him. He has proven to be an elite fighter. His last fight was less than stellar but easily the worst I've seen him and he still easily won. Even greats have bad nights.

Ward is tough to judge I agree, but I also agree that the winner between those 2 should become the #1 p4p fighter. Chocolatito is legit so he deserves to be up there. GGG is also legit but I think that he is the one that Crawford jumps right now.

If Crawford gets a fight with pac and beats him then it will be a toss up on the #1 p4p between him and the ward/kovalev winner. Chocolatito will drop and GGG won't be able to catch up. Loma will also start rising quickly and will try to take that spot.

What a great crop of fighters we have right now! Best in at least a decade.