Where do you rank Terrence Crawford P4P?

[Spicoli]

I'm still trying to figure out what defines p4p. I've defaulted to thinking it a sale tag and all for marketing now. Could go a hundred ways. Think he's a more complete capable boxer than a Golovkin but without the speed and dominating foot and hands of a Loma. Than again what they are doing is all attributed to who they are doing it against? Rigo ahead of Crawford and Canelo shouldn't even be on the list.

[Ron Swanson]

I'm still trying to figure out what defines p4p. I've defaulted to thinking it a sale tag and all for marketing now. Could go a hundred ways. Think he's a more complete capable boxer than a Golovkin but without the speed and dominating foot and hands of a Loma. Than again what they are doing is all attributed to who they are doing it against? Rigo ahead of Crawford and Canelo shouldn't even be on the list.

So that's

1)Chocolatito
2)Rigo
3)Crawford

Or Loma ahead as well?

I can never figure out who should be at the top. It's much easier to figure who shouldn't be. For me it is almost all about what you have done. A slight adjustment for what I think you can go on to do. But it seems many think of what they think you can do first. I don't like that approach because we are all wrong from time to time. But we're never wrong about what already happened. As you said, Canelo is not anywhere unless the list is long.

[p4pking]

I'm still trying to figure out what defines p4p. I've defaulted to thinking it a sale tag and all for marketing now. Could go a hundred ways. Think he's a more complete capable boxer than a Golovkin but without the speed and dominating foot and hands of a Loma. Than again what they are doing is all attributed to who they are doing it against? Rigo ahead of Crawford and Canelo shouldn't even be on the list.

So that's

1)Chocolatito
2)Rigo
3)Crawford

Or Loma ahead as well?

I can never figure out who should be at the top. It's much easier to figure who shouldn't be. For me it is almost all about what you have done. A slight adjustment for what I think you can go on to do. But it seems many think of what they think you can do first. I don't like that approach because we are all wrong from time to time. But we're never wrong about what already happened. As you said, Canelo is not anywhere unless the list is long.

On what basis is Chocalatito clearly number 1 then? I'm 100% asking and not trying to antagonize, as I don't follow the lower weights closely and wouldn't know how good many of his opponents were.
Still, it strikes me that most people do have him as the top guy based more on how good he looks relative to everyone else around his weight, no? If you only factor in relative attributes and skills, wouldn't a tiny guy almost always be the best boxer in the world? It's physically impossible for a reasonably sized man to be as dexterous as someone who is almost legally a midget.

[Gandalf]

Number 17. I have only seen him twice and this time out I thought he looked lazy against a very limited 1-2 fighter. James Toney would knock him out.

[Batman]

Seeings as this is all about the P4P I suppose someone had better post the ring magazines top ten p4p's

1- Roman Gonzalez
2- Sergey Kovalev
3- Gennady Golovkin
4- Andre Ward
5- Guillermo Rigondeaux
6- Terence Crawford
7- Vasyl Lomachenko
8- Old ginger flaps
9- Shisuke Yamanaka
10- Naoya Inque

Hard to argue with the top 7 there, I think you could pretty much re-order them any way you want and put a decent argument forward for them.
I've only seen Yamanaka once and don't think I've ever seen Naoya Inoue

Canelo shouldn't be anywhere near the top ten

[erics44]

Chocolatito is an unbelievable fighter


thing is tho, I think its hard to put someone in the lb4lb list who competes at such a light weight because there is so little competition


yeah he has done it at light flyweight and flyweight but how many professionals are there at those two weights put together in comparison to middle weight for example?

[mikeeod]

I have him at 4 on my list, but am considering moving him up to 3. I have Rigo and Loma solid at 1 and 2, chocolatito was pretty solid at 3, but I'm starting to feel that Crawford has more dimensions/options in the ring, and has that "special" speed that will allow him to beat much larger fighters. Ward is my 5 but if he beats Kov he will likely move to my top spot due to his overall resume. GGG and Kov are great fighters, but I'm not convinced they are as versatile or athletic as those I have listed above them. Can see a case for ranking any of those I listed in different orders though, because all have provided spectacular performances.

[Master]

I have him at 4 on my list, but am considering moving him up to 3. I have Rigo and Loma solid at 1 and 2, chocolatito was pretty solid at 3, but I'm starting to feel that Crawford has more dimensions/options in the ring, and has that "special" speed that will allow him to beat much larger fighters. Ward is my 5 but if he beats Kov he will likely move to my top spot due to his overall resume. GGG and Kov are great fighters, but I'm not convinced they are as versatile or athletic as those I have listed above them. Can see a case for ranking any of those I listed in different orders though, because all have provided spectacular performances.

When Kov beats Ward how far up will he go for you?

[powerpuncher]

I have him at 4 on my list, but am considering moving him up to 3. I have Rigo and Loma solid at 1 and 2, chocolatito was pretty solid at 3, but I'm starting to feel that Crawford has more dimensions/options in the ring, and has that "special" speed that will allow him to beat much larger fighters. Ward is my 5 but if he beats Kov he will likely move to my top spot due to his overall resume. GGG and Kov are great fighters, but I'm not convinced they are as versatile or athletic as those I have listed above them. Can see a case for ranking any of those I listed in different orders though, because all have provided spectacular performances.

I just don't buy into Loma being that high. He has been impressive for only having a few fights, but being number 2 means that he is extremely dominant. After last fight, I put him on my p4p list. He hasn't done enough to justify a number 2 spot.

Rigo is kind of the same. If you are knocking ward a few spots for being inactive, then rigo should also be knocked a few spots for fighting nobody good for a few years (whether or not it's his fault).

[Master]

I have him at 4 on my list, but am considering moving him up to 3. I have Rigo and Loma solid at 1 and 2, chocolatito was pretty solid at 3, but I'm starting to feel that Crawford has more dimensions/options in the ring, and has that "special" speed that will allow him to beat much larger fighters. Ward is my 5 but if he beats Kov he will likely move to my top spot due to his overall resume. GGG and Kov are great fighters, but I'm not convinced they are as versatile or athletic as those I have listed above them. Can see a case for ranking any of those I listed in different orders though, because all have provided spectacular performances.

I just don't buy into Loma being that high. He has been impressive for only having a few fights, but being number 2 means that he is extremely dominant. After last fight, I put him on my p4p list. He hasn't done enough to justify a number 2 spot.

Rigo is kind of the same. If you are knocking ward a few spots for being inactive, then rigo should also be knocked a few spots for fighting nobody good for a few years (whether or not it's his fault).

It was me that queried Ward being that high @mikeeod rates Ward as the new Hopkins.

[Ron Swanson]

I'm still trying to figure out what defines p4p. I've defaulted to thinking it a sale tag and all for marketing now. Could go a hundred ways. Think he's a more complete capable boxer than a Golovkin but without the speed and dominating foot and hands of a Loma. Than again what they are doing is all attributed to who they are doing it against? Rigo ahead of Crawford and Canelo shouldn't even be on the list.

So that's

1)Chocolatito
2)Rigo
3)Crawford

Or Loma ahead as well?

I can never figure out who should be at the top. It's much easier to figure who shouldn't be. For me it is almost all about what you have done. A slight adjustment for what I think you can go on to do. But it seems many think of what they think you can do first. I don't like that approach because we are all wrong from time to time. But we're never wrong about what already happened. As you said, Canelo is not anywhere unless the list is long.

On what basis is Chocalatito clearly number 1 then? I'm 100% asking and not trying to antagonize, as I don't follow the lower weights closely and wouldn't know how good many of his opponents were.
Still, it strikes me that most people do have him as the top guy based more on how good he looks relative to everyone else around his weight, no? If you only factor in relative attributes and skills, wouldn't a tiny guy almost always be the best boxer in the world? It's physically impossible for a reasonably sized man to be as dexterous as someone who is almost legally a midget.

Well first thing is the little guys are far far better. Like you say they have far better dexterity. But about Chocolatito. He has been champion for 8 years, 15 title fights 15 victories and that is spanning 3 weight classes. Guy is only 5'3" yet in September he is moving on to challenge for a title in a 4th weightclass. And while most of the little guys hold their titles hostage in their countries Gonzalez has been a road warrior. Since his first title he has fought more in Japan than his home country, an equal number of fights in Mexico as his home country and after his fight in September he will have fought more times in the USA than his home country since his first title fight. BTW, he has fought 0 title fights in his home country. He has the accomplishments to consider him for the top. It isn't just that he looks so damn good.

I mean where would GGG be ranked if he moved up to 168, won the title, defended it a few times, then moved up to 175 and won the title then defended it a few times then moved up to challenge for a title at Cruiserweight

[p4pking]

I'm still trying to figure out what defines p4p. I've defaulted to thinking it a sale tag and all for marketing now. Could go a hundred ways. Think he's a more complete capable boxer than a Golovkin but without the speed and dominating foot and hands of a Loma. Than again what they are doing is all attributed to who they are doing it against? Rigo ahead of Crawford and Canelo shouldn't even be on the list.

So that's

1)Chocolatito
2)Rigo
3)Crawford

Or Loma ahead as well?

I can never figure out who should be at the top. It's much easier to figure who shouldn't be. For me it is almost all about what you have done. A slight adjustment for what I think you can go on to do. But it seems many think of what they think you can do first. I don't like that approach because we are all wrong from time to time. But we're never wrong about what already happened. As you said, Canelo is not anywhere unless the list is long.

On what basis is Chocalatito clearly number 1 then? I'm 100% asking and not trying to antagonize, as I don't follow the lower weights closely and wouldn't know how good many of his opponents were.
Still, it strikes me that most people do have him as the top guy based more on how good he looks relative to everyone else around his weight, no? If you only factor in relative attributes and skills, wouldn't a tiny guy almost always be the best boxer in the world? It's physically impossible for a reasonably sized man to be as dexterous as someone who is almost legally a midget.

Well first thing is the little guys are far far better. Like you say they have far better dexterity. But about Chocolatito. He has been champion for 8 years, 15 title fights 15 victories and that is spanning 3 weight classes. Guy is only 5'3" yet in September he is moving on to challenge for a title in a 4th weightclass. And while most of the little guys hold their titles hostage in their countries Gonzalez has been a road warrior. Since his first title he has fought more in Japan than his home country, an equal number of fights in Mexico as his home country and after his fight in September he will have fought more times in the USA than his home country since his first title fight. BTW, he has fought 0 title fights in his home country. He has the accomplishments to consider him for the top. It isn't just that he looks so damn good.

I mean where would GGG be ranked if he moved up to 168, won the title, defended it a few times, then moved up to 175 and won the title then defended it a few times then moved up to challenge for a title at Cruiserweight

Fair enough, Estrada and Viloria are the only opponents of his I was really aware of before the fights so I just don't know how good lots of his opponents were, it seems every capable fighter at these weights holds or challenges for a title at some point though. GGG's number of title fights looks stellar on paper to, if one isn't familiar with the opposition. As far as the 4 weight thing, Gonzales has fought between 105-112 so far, if he wins at super flyweight then he'll have put on 10% of his body weight over his career, same thing a lot of guys do. A middle moving up to cruiser would be more like Gonzales fighting at featherweight, relatively, it's not the same.

[Mr140]

I'm still trying to figure out what defines p4p. I've defaulted to thinking it a sale tag and all for marketing now. Could go a hundred ways. Think he's a more complete capable boxer than a Golovkin but without the speed and dominating foot and hands of a Loma. Than again what they are doing is all attributed to who they are doing it against? Rigo ahead of Crawford and Canelo shouldn't even be on the list.

So that's

1)Chocolatito
2)Rigo
3)Crawford

Or Loma ahead as well?

I can never figure out who should be at the top. It's much easier to figure who shouldn't be. For me it is almost all about what you have done. A slight adjustment for what I think you can go on to do. But it seems many think of what they think you can do first. I don't like that approach because we are all wrong from time to time. But we're never wrong about what already happened. As you said, Canelo is not anywhere unless the list is long.

On what basis is Chocalatito clearly number 1 then? I'm 100% asking and not trying to antagonize, as I don't follow the lower weights closely and wouldn't know how good many of his opponents were.
Still, it strikes me that most people do have him as the top guy based more on how good he looks relative to everyone else around his weight, no? If you only factor in relative attributes and skills, wouldn't a tiny guy almost always be the best boxer in the world? It's physically impossible for a reasonably sized man to be as dexterous as someone who is almost legally a midget.

Well first thing is the little guys are far far better. Like you say they have far better dexterity. But about Chocolatito. He has been champion for 8 years, 15 title fights 15 victories and that is spanning 3 weight classes. Guy is only 5'3" yet in September he is moving on to challenge for a title in a 4th weightclass. And while most of the little guys hold their titles hostage in their countries Gonzalez has been a road warrior. Since his first title he has fought more in Japan than his home country, an equal number of fights in Mexico as his home country and after his fight in September he will have fought more times in the USA than his home country since his first title fight. BTW, he has fought 0 title fights in his home country. He has the accomplishments to consider him for the top. It isn't just that he looks so damn good.

I mean where would GGG be ranked if he moved up to 168, won the title, defended it a few times, then moved up to 175 and won the title then defended it a few times then moved up to challenge for a title at Cruiserweight

Fair enough, Estrada and Viloria are the only opponents of his I was really aware of before the fights so I just don't know how good lots of his opponents were, it seems every capable fighter at these weights holds or challenges for a title at some point though. GGG's number of title fights looks stellar on paper to, if one isn't familiar with the opposition. As far as the 4 weight thing, Gonzales has fought between 105-112 so far, if he wins at super flyweight then he'll have put on 10% of his body weight over his career, same thing a lot of guys do. A middle moving up to cruiser would be more like Gonzales fighting at featherweight, relatively, it's not the same.

Thats less then 10 pounds and he moved up that many division what a joke that is we need to cut some of those out. Also no i do not agree with that being the same as mw going to cw that is over a 30 pound difference plus a bigger talent pool to go along with it. The problem with pound for pound is that no fighter would be the same if they were different size some thing has to be taken away. Not like it really matters in the end because pound for pound just there because hw would kill everyone so they need to prop up other fighters to make the matches seem more epic in a way.