WHO wins on November 8th??

[El Kabong]

Oh the Associated Press...http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/08/us...race-call.html That AP? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...y-was-looking/ That one?


Hey if Trump does "business as usual" then he won't be in office very long will he? The crowd that voted, the angry mob who quietly went to the polls, pulled the lever for Trump despite being called every name in the book while they did it, they aren't going to just sit back and say "Well go to work Trump" unlike with Barack Obama there will be accountability here. The people are going to get their way...Trump or someone else will be the one to give them that and there will ALWAYS be a someone else.


Trump isn't the leader of the movement that brought him to the White House, don't forget that.

[walrus]

I am happily drinking kirklands tears. The tears of the sjws are like victory to me. Praise glorious leader emperor trump

[Kirkland Laing]

I am happily drinking kirklands tears. The tears of the sjws are like victory to me. Praise glorious leader emperor trump

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...ml#post1374347


Back when Trump was talking about cracking down on Wall Street and big business, bringing jobs back to America and pushing up American wages I was right behind him. But cracking down on Wall Street turned into scrapping all regulation brought in since 2008 which guarantees if nothing else another 2008-style meltdown. Since then Trump has gone pro-corporation on everything except, possibly, trade. Even his infrastructure plan looks like being a big corporate giveaway. So I'm not so supportive mow.

[El Kabong]

It's a factual article Lyle. It's not opinion. It's a fact that Trump has appointed all those people to head up various departments in the White House.

Insurgent Trump taps GOP insiders, lobbyists for transition - POLITICO

Look. Even more lobbyists.

Trump really is the leader of that movement. Take Trump away and you just have standard issue GOP corporate servant politicians to vote for. There's still a chance he could do OK Lyle but it's not looking too good. Huge tax cuts and giveaways for Wall Street and big business, it's looking like a standard GOP administration but on steroids. Let's see what he actually does regarding trade and bringing jobs back to America.

I'm reading POTENTIAL picks and CANDIDATES for this and that, who is locked in?

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...ml#post1374347


Back when Trump was talking about cracking down on Wall Street and big business, bringing jobs back to America and pushing up American wages I was right behind him. But cracking down on Wall Street turned into scrapping all regulation brought in since 2008 which guarantees if nothing else another 2008-style meltdown. Since then Trump has gone pro-corporation on everything except, possibly, trade. Even his infrastructure plan looks like being a big corporate giveaway. So I'm not so supportive mow.

OR you were always for Hillary or you just don't care because you and "all the smartest guys in the room" back both candidates because you're soooo super smart and wealthy

[Batman]

Ain't you lads bored of this yet?
I don't mean that in a derogatory way, is the election really that important to you lot?

I'm 31 years old and it's never made a fucking scrap of difference who is in charge, labour, tories etc, none of the cunts have done anything to help me in a way that I have ever noticed.

Is it really that different in America?

[vidgil]

Is it really that different in America?

Oh boy are they! The differences between a Trump and Clinton presidency are immeasurable!

I think what has prolonged our joy is the fact that we were lead to believe Trump had no chance of winning. This was a big upset! I'm still smiling about it!

[Kirkland Laing]

It's a factual article Lyle. It's not opinion. It's a fact that Trump has appointed all those people to head up various departments in the White House.

Insurgent Trump taps GOP insiders, lobbyists for transition - POLITICO

Look. Even more lobbyists.

Trump really is the leader of that movement. Take Trump away and you just have standard issue GOP corporate servant politicians to vote for. There's still a chance he could do OK Lyle but it's not looking too good. Huge tax cuts and giveaways for Wall Street and big business, it's looking like a standard GOP administration but on steroids. Let's see what he actually does regarding trade and bringing jobs back to America.

I'm reading POTENTIAL picks and CANDIDATES for this and that, who is locked in?

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...ml#post1374347


Back when Trump was talking about cracking down on Wall Street and big business, bringing jobs back to America and pushing up American wages I was right behind him. But cracking down on Wall Street turned into scrapping all regulation brought in since 2008 which guarantees if nothing else another 2008-style meltdown. Since then Trump has gone pro-corporation on everything except, possibly, trade. Even his infrastructure plan looks like being a big corporate giveaway. So I'm not so supportive mow.

OR you were always for Hillary or you just don't care because you and "all the smartest guys in the room" back both candidates because you're soooo super smart and wealthy

I really wasn't. I'd like to see Bernie Sanders getting sworn in in a couple of months. You ended up with a choice between bad and worse. Even if Trump does do something useful with trade/bringing jobs back it's going to be outweighed by phasing Medicare and social security out but the real crucial thing is deregulating the smartest guys in the room.

Look what happened last time a GOP prez did it. You ended up handing out nearly twelve trillion dollars in bailouts, secret loans and loan guarantees. Luckily you had a sensible Fed chairman who managed to steer the system through the worst of the crisis. By the time we have the next crisis there'll be a Trump pick running the show. That could spell absolute disaster -- too much to go into but it really could mean let's say another twelve plus trillion which next time won't be paid back and a second multitrillion bailout needed on top of that.

So just Trump deregulating Wall Street is a disqualifier. Imagine he does a reasonable job over eight years and is leaving office having done well but then the financial system collapses like the last Bush 43 months in 2008. It would be a really dangerous situation financially, politically and for the survival of a democratic republic.

[El Kabong]

I really wasn't. I'd like to see Bernie Sanders getting sworn in in a couple of months. You ended up with a choice between bad and worse. Even if Trump does do something useful with trade/bringing jobs back it's going to be outweighed by phasing Medicare and social security out but the real crucial thing is deregulating the smartest guys in the room.

Look what happened last time a GOP prez did it. You ended up handing out nearly twelve trillion dollars in bailouts, secret loans and loan guarantees. Luckily you had a sensible Fed chairman who managed to steer the system through the worst of the crisis. By the time we have the next crisis there'll be a Trump pick running the show. That could spell absolute disaster -- too much to go into but it really could mean let's say another twelve plus trillion which next time won't be paid back and a second multitrillion bailout needed on top of that.

So just Trump deregulating Wall Street is a disqualifier. Imagine he does a reasonable job over eight years and is leaving office having done well but then the financial system collapses like the last Bush 43 months in 2008. It would be a really dangerous situation financially, politically and for the survival of a democratic republic.

So you make a great deal of money, or so you say, and you'd like a Socialist to run the United States of America? And who did you support in England? Corbyn?

If Trump was going to deregulate Wall Street soooooo dangerously much then why did Wall Street money back Hillary? Or am I not supposed to ask that question? Are THOSE Wall Street fat cats looking long term? Are we to believe that they are the only ones who are thinking clearly? For some reason I don't buy it Kirkland, you can't tell me that the system is greedy and corrupt but then there are some who are only a 5.5 out of 10 corrupt and they "saw the light" and backed Hillary because she was going to be better in the end.


And you thought Sanders would have accomplished anything positive? You're out of your mind. See how Socialism is totally rocking it right now in Venezuela? People can't even buy toilet paper there. Oh but that would never happen in America because? (and there's the part where you explain why Socialism needs to be tried in America and you say why it wouldn't ruin the entire nation the way it has ruined every other nation that has tried it)

[vidgil]

Socialism is a path to no where.

[Kirkland Laing]

I really wasn't. I'd like to see Bernie Sanders getting sworn in in a couple of months. You ended up with a choice between bad and worse. Even if Trump does do something useful with trade/bringing jobs back it's going to be outweighed by phasing Medicare and social security out but the real crucial thing is deregulating the smartest guys in the room.

Look what happened last time a GOP prez did it. You ended up handing out nearly twelve trillion dollars in bailouts, secret loans and loan guarantees. Luckily you had a sensible Fed chairman who managed to steer the system through the worst of the crisis. By the time we have the next crisis there'll be a Trump pick running the show. That could spell absolute disaster -- too much to go into but it really could mean let's say another twelve plus trillion which next time won't be paid back and a second multitrillion bailout needed on top of that.

So just Trump deregulating Wall Street is a disqualifier. Imagine he does a reasonable job over eight years and is leaving office having done well but then the financial system collapses like the last Bush 43 months in 2008. It would be a really dangerous situation financially, politically and for the survival of a democratic republic.

So you make a great deal of money, or so you say, and you'd like a Socialist to run the United States of America? And who did you support in England? Corbyn?

If Trump was going to deregulate Wall Street soooooo dangerously much then why did Wall Street money back Hillary? Or am I not supposed to ask that question? Are THOSE Wall Street fat cats looking long term? Are we to believe that they are the only ones who are thinking clearly? For some reason I don't buy it Kirkland, you can't tell me that the system is greedy and corrupt but then there are some who are only a 5.5 out of 10 corrupt and they "saw the light" and backed Hillary because she was going to be better in the end.


And you thought Sanders would have accomplished anything positive? You're out of your mind. See how Socialism is totally rocking it right now in Venezuela? People can't even buy toilet paper there. Oh but that would never happen in America because? (and there's the part where you explain why Socialism needs to be tried in America and you say why it wouldn't ruin the entire nation the way it has ruined every other nation that has tried it)

Bernie isn't a socialist. With Bernie you're not going to get a centrally planned economy, you're just going to get things dialled back a little bit. Higher taxes on the wealthy, properly regulated financial system and corporations and so on. Basically turn the clock back to where America was in the 1960s. No central planning like Venezuela which is a banana republic with oil. Whoever is running Venezuela does the same thing. When the oil price is hight previous governments looted the country on behald of the twenty families who own the country. When Chavez took over the oil price had crashed and the country was in the same situation it was noe, 3000+% inflation and mass unemployment. Only thing Chavez and successors did differently was give all the oil money to the people instead of twenty familiees.

Wall Street overwhelmingly backed Hillary because she was favourite to win. But Wall Street also backed Trump and now the next at least four years are going to be a gigantic bonanza for the financial industry. Remember Fannie and Freddie? Would you like to own a piece of a ten trillion mortgage business and be given it for free? Watch what happens to those two firms in the next couple of years.

Trump is going to deregulate the American financial system back to 2006. It's only a matter of time now until another financial crisis. And when it happens we'll discover it was Obama's fault. That's just a wild fucking guess like.

[Gandalf]

Oh the Associated Press...http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/08/us...race-call.html That AP? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...y-was-looking/ That one?


Hey if Trump does "business as usual" then he won't be in office very long will he? The crowd that voted, the angry mob who quietly went to the polls, pulled the lever for Trump despite being called every name in the book while they did it, they aren't going to just sit back and say "Well go to work Trump" unlike with Barack Obama there will be accountability here. The people are going to get their way...Trump or someone else will be the one to give them that and there will ALWAYS be a someone else.


Trump isn't the leader of the movement that brought him to the White House, don't forget that.

To counter that though I will argue that though Trump is unusual, he has done it by being a Republican. It's the same old 2 party system and the Republicans are mostly a bunch of corrupt tossers. There won't be another counter culture opportunity for the Republicans or the Democrats as these are two are two sides of the same coin and once Trump is through they will rig it better next time out. I have a hard time seeing a 3rd party rise and really that's what America needs. Jill Stein had really good policies, but she was ignored because she wasn't one of the big two or a celebrity billionaire. If Trump messes up he needs to be held accountable, but to be replaced by what? There is nothing. You have serious issues and judging by the way Trump is trying to finance things the black hole of debt is going to rise exponentially. Then the next crash will come. It's not looking good. It's a shame left and right won't unite in the common interest that is the security and future of America. The same problems are there and are very obvious, but nobody seems to be concerned about that, instead it's about blaming the other 'side'. Kind of daft really.

[Kirkland Laing]

Oh the Associated Press...http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/08/us...race-call.html That AP? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...y-was-looking/ That one?


Hey if Trump does "business as usual" then he won't be in office very long will he? The crowd that voted, the angry mob who quietly went to the polls, pulled the lever for Trump despite being called every name in the book while they did it, they aren't going to just sit back and say "Well go to work Trump" unlike with Barack Obama there will be accountability here. The people are going to get their way...Trump or someone else will be the one to give them that and there will ALWAYS be a someone else.


Trump isn't the leader of the movement that brought him to the White House, don't forget that.

It's a factual article Lyle. It's not opinion. It's a fact that Trump has appointed all those people to head up various departments in the White House.

Insurgent Trump taps GOP insiders, lobbyists for transition - POLITICO

Look. Even more lobbyists.

Trump really is the leader of that movement. Take Trump away and you just have standard issue GOP corporate servant politicians to vote for. There's still a chance he could do OK Lyle but it's not looking too good. Huge tax cuts and giveaways for Wall Street and big business, it's looking like a standard GOP administration but on steroids. Let's see what he actually does regarding trade and bringing jobs back to America.