James DeGale v Badou Jack - Sky Sports

[Fenster]

Just saw Floyd's post fight comments, what a massive wanker (yeah, I know, nothing new). He "promoted" a top fight then ruins it by crying about a robbery and bizarrely moaning about it being "bad for boxing."

If forced to pick a winner I'd go for Jack. His more consistent solidness throughout looked a little superior to DeGale's dazzling cameos. However, it was a good/fair draw and most importantly a good/quality punch-up.

Great beard shown by the ref.

[Gandalf]

Just saw Floyd's post fight comments, what a massive wanker (yeah, I know, nothing new). He "promoted" a top fight then ruins it by crying about a robbery and bizarrely moaning about it being "bad for boxing."

If forced to pick a winner I'd go for Jack. His more consistent solidness throughout looked a little superior to DeGale's dazzling cameos. However, it was a good/fair draw and most importantly a good/quality punch-up.

Great beard shown by the ref.

I thought Floyd remained calm and spoke sense. It's true that Jack gets the wrong end of decisions and in this fight he messed up Degales face, outlanded him by 60 punches, landed the more telling shots and scored the classier KD. He won the fight and pretty handily too IMO. It is bad for boxing when a guy throws 10 punches with 9 of them landing on the arms, then gets hit back with 1 clean to the body and 1 clean to the head. Those kinds of exchanges were not difficult to judge. Degale was outlanded in most of the rounds and got his with the harder shots. It is pretty bad for boxing when a fighter clearly wins and struggles to ever get the decision. Also Degale should have been docked a point for constantly spitting out the mouth guard. That became very blatant.

[Ron Swanson]

Surprised nobody has commented that it was 23 seconds from Degale hitting the deck until the ref left them fight on. That's bad, real bad.

[Spicoli]

Had to have another look at Mercante being caught clean with Jack left hook.

he asks for water and stands in Jacks corner drinking and mumbles..."yeh now you need to knock HIM out mutherfucker"

[erics44]

Just saw Floyd's post fight comments, what a massive wanker (yeah, I know, nothing new). He "promoted" a top fight then ruins it by crying about a robbery and bizarrely moaning about it being "bad for boxing."

If forced to pick a winner I'd go for Jack. His more consistent solidness throughout looked a little superior to DeGale's dazzling cameos. However, it was a good/fair draw and most importantly a good/quality punch-up.

Great beard shown by the ref.

I thought Floyd remained calm and spoke sense. It's true that Jack gets the wrong end of decisions and in this fight he messed up Degales face, outlanded him by 60 punches, landed the more telling shots and scored the classier KD. He won the fight and pretty handily too IMO. It is bad for boxing when a guy throws 10 punches with 9 of them landing on the arms, then gets hit back with 1 clean to the body and 1 clean to the head. Those kinds of exchanges were not difficult to judge. Degale was outlanded in most of the rounds and got his with the harder shots. It is pretty bad for boxing when a fighter clearly wins and struggles to ever get the decision. Also Degale should have been docked a point for constantly spitting out the mouth guard. That became very blatant.

its hard to disagree, degale looked smashed up and jack looked so much bigger and stronger through out

and if anyone deserved it Jack did

but degale did win those 6 rounds

I have only watched it once and all that, late at night/early in the morning, so im willing to rewatch any of those rounds that someone is arguing he didn't win

from memory the rounds he won were 1, 2, 4, 9, 10, 11

[Batman]

I have only watched the fight once, I gave it to Jack by one round, a draw is a perfectly fair result in a close fight.

I've just been having a look at another forum and they are all screaming and crying saying it is a massive robbery, I really don't understand that, if DeGale had won a unanimous decision with a massive difference in points then fair enough.

People these days just can't take losing, every time there is a decision that goes against them, look at the Kov v Ward uproar, it was a close fight, this was a close fight, you don't always get the decision you want, that doesn't make it a robbery.

I just enjoyed the fight and accepted the draw even though I would have preferred to see a win for DeGale

[Fenster]

Just saw Floyd's post fight comments, what a massive wanker (yeah, I know, nothing new). He "promoted" a top fight then ruins it by crying about a robbery and bizarrely moaning about it being "bad for boxing."

If forced to pick a winner I'd go for Jack. His more consistent solidness throughout looked a little superior to DeGale's dazzling cameos. However, it was a good/fair draw and most importantly a good/quality punch-up.

Great beard shown by the ref.

I thought Floyd remained calm and spoke sense. It's true that Jack gets the wrong end of decisions and in this fight he messed up Degales face, outlanded him by 60 punches, landed the more telling shots and scored the classier KD. He won the fight and pretty handily too IMO. It is bad for boxing when a guy throws 10 punches with 9 of them landing on the arms, then gets hit back with 1 clean to the body and 1 clean to the head. Those kinds of exchanges were not difficult to judge. Degale was outlanded in most of the rounds and got his with the harder shots. It is pretty bad for boxing when a fighter clearly wins and struggles to ever get the decision. Also Degale should have been docked a point for constantly spitting out the mouth guard. That became very blatant.

If I had just "promoted" a cracking card I would have been bigging it up not tainting my product by doom and glooming about corruption and wrongdoing. The opinion expressed by the vast MAJORITY was a terrific, close fight. The correct opinion.

DeGale had two front teeth knocked out that's why the gum shield fell out a couple of times. Bit harsh (wrong) to say he was "constantly spitting it out," even the few times it came out he didn't stop fighting using it as an out.

[Primo Carnera]

It's funny, on the face of it, everything points to Jack being hard done by. Threw and landed more punches, fucked DeGale's face up, had the better knockdown, etc. But I have to say, I scored DeGale winning by 2 rounds. To be honest, I was really surprised I had it like that , because if anything I was trying to give Jack Rounds (I'm not a big fan of DeGale's.) so it was far from biased.

[Master]

It's funny, on the face of it, everything points to Jack being hard done by. Threw and landed more punches, fucked DeGale's face up, had the better knockdown, etc. But I have to say, I scored DeGale winning by 2 rounds. To be honest, I was really surprised I had it like that , because if anything I was trying to give Jack Rounds (I'm not a big fan of DeGale's.) so it was far from biased.

I had it 2 rounds for Jack, the knock downs even themselves but Jack was landing the harder and more effective punches. Degale was throwing flurries, mainly late in the rounds and were not landing.

Degale will be best to avoid a rematch as he came out of it worse.

[erics44]

if a fight was scored on how the fight was fought overall

like treat the whole 12 rounds as 1 round and make a decision then I think Jack would be the winner by most people reckoning

[Master]

if a fight was scored on how the fight was fought overall

like treat the whole 12 rounds as 1 round and make a decision then I think Jack would be the winner by most people reckoning

Yes but scoring it individually for each round is fairer.

I remember Duran v Leonard 3 which was awful and Sugar Ray won majority of the rounds except the last where he got severely bloodied. If you just decided on how they looked after the fight Duran would have won.

[Gandalf]

Just saw Floyd's post fight comments, what a massive wanker (yeah, I know, nothing new). He "promoted" a top fight then ruins it by crying about a robbery and bizarrely moaning about it being "bad for boxing."

If forced to pick a winner I'd go for Jack. His more consistent solidness throughout looked a little superior to DeGale's dazzling cameos. However, it was a good/fair draw and most importantly a good/quality punch-up.

Great beard shown by the ref.

I thought Floyd remained calm and spoke sense. It's true that Jack gets the wrong end of decisions and in this fight he messed up Degales face, outlanded him by 60 punches, landed the more telling shots and scored the classier KD. He won the fight and pretty handily too IMO. It is bad for boxing when a guy throws 10 punches with 9 of them landing on the arms, then gets hit back with 1 clean to the body and 1 clean to the head. Those kinds of exchanges were not difficult to judge. Degale was outlanded in most of the rounds and got his with the harder shots. It is pretty bad for boxing when a fighter clearly wins and struggles to ever get the decision. Also Degale should have been docked a point for constantly spitting out the mouth guard. That became very blatant.

If I had just "promoted" a cracking card I would have been bigging it up not tainting my product by doom and glooming about corruption and wrongdoing. The opinion expressed by the vast MAJORITY was a terrific, close fight. The correct opinion.

DeGale had two front teeth knocked out that's why the gum shield fell out a couple of times. Bit harsh (wrong) to say he was "constantly spitting it out," even the few times it came out he didn't stop fighting using it as an out.

It was a poor decision and I explained why. I don't really care if Twitter had it 51-49 Jack or whatever it was because it was a fight where Jack outlanded his opponent in most of the rounds, landed the harder shots, was more accurate and had his opponent lisping like the snake in The Jungle Book.

DeGale may have had his teeth knocked out, but if you cannot keep your gumshield in then you should get points taken away and disqualified if need be. He was very lucky in that regard too and should have been docked a point which would have lost him the fight.

Degale saying to Jack that he would get paid if he would go to the UK was also very insulting. Jack had just messed up his opponent, been stiffed on the cards, and then has this arrogant person saying that he should go to the UK and have a rematch in order to 'get paid'. If I was Jack I would shrug my shoulders and move on. He has nothing to prove after that.

Anyway, glad to see you back posting and hope you are on your way to good health.

[smashup]

Degale only earned £750k for that which is peanuts considering it was a unification fight and in the USA so it just proves that both fighters have fuck all market value.
Makes absolute sense for Jack to swallow it and do the rematch at the same weight and in the UK where both fighters would earn 2-3 times more.
Thing is Eddie Hearn could be laughing either way

Badou Jack v Callum Smith: WBC order super-middleweight title contest - BBC Sport

[Ron Swanson]

Degale only earned £750k for that which is peanuts considering it was a unification fight and in the USA so it just proves that both fighters have fuck all market value.
Makes absolute sense for Jack to swallow it and do the rematch at the same weight and in the UK where both fighters would earn 2-3 times more.
Thing is Eddie Hearn could be laughing either way

Badou Jack v Callum Smith: WBC order super-middleweight title contest - BBC Sport

Not "absolute sense", it makes zero sense. You said it yourself "that both fighters have fuck all market value". A fight there would make more but your numbers are way off. Jack is struggling to make weight, compromising himself as a fighter. And he's been jobbed twice in a row. You think he should damage himself more AND put himself in a situation where he is MORE likely to be jobbed again. Makes no sense.

Jack beat him up, it is Degale that needs redemption. If Degale wants it he will have to sacrifice at least one of the issues weight/location.

[Kirkland Laing]

Jack is moving up to 175 so that's that as far as a rematch goes. Smith will fight Dirrell for the vacant title and if he wins there'll be a big UK unification fight. De Gale will take a while to come back from the broken nose and will have a nice easy keep busy fight in the UK waiting for Smith to beat Dirrell. Probably.