Haye v Bellew - 4/3/17 rd-by-rd

[X]

I had quite a few (amateur) bouts, but luckily I never had an Achilles injury. I don't know how much it hurts, and am not sure about how the physics of the injury would affect my ability to compete.

What does seem obvious in the fight though, was that Haye couldn't get a solid stance off his right foot. In all of Haye's fights, he has been massively dependant on his right leg. His big punch is the looping right which uses his hip as a pivot, so having a solid right leg is vital. He has always been an ambush type fighter as well, circling and bringing his opponent in until he can lunge in off the right leg with the looping right. I would think the injury ended any hope of him stopping Bellew.

His corner panicked a bit too, in my opinion. The frankly amateurish wrapping of his calf, which they cut off later would have made very little difference to the injury (or any injury, to be honest). They didn't seem to give him any good advice, just saying he should stay on the ropes and keep his hands up.

Haye didnt have the nous to rethink his tactics .... understandable in the heat of the moment, but he did show he is not a true great of the ring as I think a real technician would have been able to think it through. He doesn't have a good enough left, or a solid enough boxing technique to win in another way. In retrospect, he might have tried to set Bellew up for the left by moving all his weight to his front foot and boxing more orthodoxly. He might have tried to pull off a rope a dope?

He didn't quit, in fairness, but he was facing a blown up cruiserweight who didn't carry his power up and who was seriously gassed out.

Haye was always a fantastic athlete, with good power in that right hand .... but that made things come easy to him and he never learned how to be a more complete fighter than he needed to be to blast people out early.

[Master]

You are right Primo, the fight showed that Haye is shot, way past his best and is just trying to contact the public in thinking he can provide a realistic challenge at the world stage.

[erics44]

I'm not so sure, I thought haye won rounds 2,3 and 4 clearly and was winning 5, bellew had stopped throwing punches

2 more and I think the sparking would have come

[Gandalf]

I'm not so sure, I thought haye won rounds 2,3 and 4 clearly and was winning 5, bellew had stopped throwing punches

2 more and I think the sparking would have come

I think so too. Haye gave away the first 2 for me, but he was winning the rounds prior to the stoppage and that was likely in a semi injured form already IMO. A healthy Haye knocks Bellew cold. Will probably happen in the rematch. Haye is high on a trilogy because it now generates money and he knows it isn't the hardest work in the world. He knew he was beating Bellew at less than 100%, he even thought he could do it completely injured. He would be very confident in a rematch.

[Primo Carnera]

I'm not so sure, I thought haye won rounds 2,3 and 4 clearly and was winning 5, bellew had stopped throwing punches

2 more and I think the sparking would have come

Agree with all of that, but for Haye to have been taken as a serious contender for a World title , he would've had to blow Bellew out of there very handily inside 5 or 6 rounds.
Even if he hadn't got injured and eventually stopped Bellew late on, that wouldn't be good enough to suggest Haye was ready for a World title shot.

[Master]

David Haye claims he will be "heavyweight champion of world once again" and expects to return to ring this year

David Haye has made the huge claim that he will be "heavyweight champion of the world once again" in a thank-you message to his fans.

The Hayemaker suffered a shock 11th round defeat to Tony Bellew at London's O2 on March 4, and speculation the 36-year-old would retire soon followed.

But in a video message to fans, Haye ensured everybody he is on the mend and expects to be back in the ring this year.

Haye, who was WBA Heavyweight Champion from 2009 to 2011, also stated that his desire to fight is as strong as ever, adding "watch this space."

In the clip, he says: "Hello, ladies and gentleman, thank you very much for all of your amazingly positive well wishes and messages of support.

"Every single one of them has been read and digested by me.

"I will be back to my best very best very soon, I have the best people in the world looking after me, so as soon as it is humanly possible for me to get back in the ring, I will be.

"We all believe that will be before the end of 2017, which is fantastic.

"Everybody saw how much I wanted the fight whilst I was in the fight, so the question marks 'does David still want it if the going gets tough?' Yes I still want it.

"I proved to everybody I did, I am telling you all I will be the heavyweight champion of the world once again.

"Time will tell but I'm doing everything humanly possible to get back on track so watch this space."

David Haye claims he will be "heavyweight champion of world once again" and expects to return to ring this year

[erics44]

I'm not so sure, I thought haye won rounds 2,3 and 4 clearly and was winning 5, bellew had stopped throwing punches

2 more and I think the sparking would have come

Agree with all of that, but for Haye to have been taken as a serious contender for a World title , he would've had to blow Bellew out of there very handily inside 5 or 6 rounds.
Even if he hadn't got injured and eventually stopped Bellew late on, that wouldn't be good enough to suggest Haye was ready for a World title shot.

I see where youre coming from

thing is, id like to see the fight again because I think the injury was there well before the fight and haye was unable to train, he was clearly fit but it didn't look like he had done much boxing

I might be wrong, they might fight again and it might take him 10 rounds to get to bellew which would prove what you are saying

[Batman]

I'm not so sure, I thought haye won rounds 2,3 and 4 clearly and was winning 5, bellew had stopped throwing punches

2 more and I think the sparking would have come

Agree with all of that, but for Haye to have been taken as a serious contender for a World title , he would've had to blow Bellew out of there very handily inside 5 or 6 rounds.
Even if he hadn't got injured and eventually stopped Bellew late on, that wouldn't be good enough to suggest Haye was ready for a World title shot.

I see where youre coming from

thing is, id like to see the fight again because I think the injury was there well before the fight and haye was unable to train, he was clearly fit but it didn't look like he had done much boxing

I might be wrong, they might fight again and it might take him 10 rounds to get to bellew which would prove what you are saying

I would watch the fight again but I don't think I'd pay for it next time, I can imagine it being a bit of a damp squib in the build up, they can't run around threatening to decapitate each other and kill each others kids and stuff now that they have pretty much declared their undying love for each other, the rematch would largely rely on revenge without the animosity.

[Master]

I'm not so sure, I thought haye won rounds 2,3 and 4 clearly and was winning 5, bellew had stopped throwing punches

2 more and I think the sparking would have come

Agree with all of that, but for Haye to have been taken as a serious contender for a World title , he would've had to blow Bellew out of there very handily inside 5 or 6 rounds.
Even if he hadn't got injured and eventually stopped Bellew late on, that wouldn't be good enough to suggest Haye was ready for a World title shot.

I see where youre coming from

thing is, id like to see the fight again because I think the injury was there well before the fight and haye was unable to train, he was clearly fit but it didn't look like he had done much boxing

I might be wrong, they might fight again and it might take him 10 rounds to get to bellew which would prove what you are saying

I would watch the fight again but I don't think I'd pay for it next time, I can imagine it being a bit of a damp squib in the build up, they can't run around threatening to decapitate each other and kill each others kids and stuff now that they have pretty much declared their undying love for each other, the rematch would largely rely on revenge without the animosity.

You watch them build up this to be another based on the injury, where Haye would say it made the difference and Bellew saying it did not and that he had his own injury to contend with.

Suckers like eric with fall for it and it will end up as another PPV box office fight.