Oscar rolling out the excuses already

[Spicoli]

Luis Ortiz added to card vs everyones trial horse Derric Rossy. Three weeks after turning 39.

Piss or get off the pot seems more and more applicable to Ortiz.

Recently in the heavyweights you have to hope the "Where have they dug that opponent up from ?" ​Is not soon accompanied by corner men with spades

I'm wondering if Ortiz is breaking a record for -Interim stand still..maybe soon..champion- now. We all know the shiny trinkets and belts might as well fall out of gumball machines but watching "just glad to be considered" Fres Oquendo and Shannon Briggs get to it before arguably one of the more realistic threats is a joke.

Yeah the WBA are a joke for sanctioning that fight as for a title. Maybe an eliminator. Old Fres had his nice little court mandated shot so nothing they could do I suppose. Wlad/ Joshua should have been for the vacant title and Briggs/ Oquendo should have been for the interim at most. Hopefully the mess gets cleaned up by the end of the year.

Thought Fres really did watch it tick away vs Chagaev and he's riding a bit of the charity train off injury. Same Briggs who has legitimately beat one top 10 fighter. Tremendous self marketer though and a monster in the vitamin aisle. Where are all of the 'next' American heavyweights ffs.

[Alpha]

Crazy thing is that Browne was also among the mess until he roided himself out. All the sanctioning bodies are sh-t but the WBA are a laughing stock. They have been taking steps to eliminate many of the regular and interim titles but it has been a real slow burn. Didn't Ortiz give up his interim title as well? Way off topic now.

Oscar needs to cut his boy loose. Let Canelo fight his battles in the ring instead of all the sh-t talk outside of it. If he loses oh well you can't win em all but at least back yourself.

[Primo Carnera]

A loss to GGG wouldn't hurt Canelo too much in my opinion. Look at Brook and Jacobs. If Canelo took the fight for a start he'd get some respect and if he gave a good account of himself that would increase.

Don't necessarily agree with that. If Canelo is this massive draw , he should be looking to win this.
Brook was 2 weight divisions below GGG. Canelo is totally different, he's the BIGGER GUY no matter what anyone would have us believe.
TBH, I'm not even that bothered about seeing the fight anymore.

Of course Canelo should be backing himself to win. I also would prefer a Jacobs rematch over this. What I'm saying is that if Canelo took the fight and made it competitive like Jacobs did it would raise his stature. If he won then it's obvious he would be the sports biggest star.

But this is the thing. He's a massive star already. I can't see how a loss of any kind makes him the biggest star in boxing, because it's a loss.
And this is why the fight hasn't been made. It's not what Canelo has to lose or gain, it's what OSCAR has to lose. He's quite happy to keep cashing him in, and if he loses Oscar can't keep spouting bullshit, so in Oscar's mind , why take the risk?

[Alpha]

A loss to GGG wouldn't hurt Canelo too much in my opinion. Look at Brook and Jacobs. If Canelo took the fight for a start he'd get some respect and if he gave a good account of himself that would increase.

Don't necessarily agree with that. If Canelo is this massive draw , he should be looking to win this.
Brook was 2 weight divisions below GGG. Canelo is totally different, he's the BIGGER GUY no matter what anyone would have us believe.
TBH, I'm not even that bothered about seeing the fight anymore.

Of course Canelo should be backing himself to win. I also would prefer a Jacobs rematch over this. What I'm saying is that if Canelo took the fight and made it competitive like Jacobs did it would raise his stature. If he won then it's obvious he would be the sports biggest star.

But this is the thing. He's a massive star already. I can't see how a loss of any kind makes him the biggest star in boxing, because it's a loss.
And this is why the fight hasn't been made. It's not what Canelo has to lose or gain, it's what OSCAR has to lose. He's quite happy to keep cashing him in, and if he loses Oscar can't keep spouting bullshit, so in Oscar's mind , why take the risk?

It's probably more so Oscar & Golden Boy than Canelo but he needs to shoulder some of the blame. If he really wanted the fight he would force their hand. Like he did with Lara I suppose. I don't think anyone said a loss makes him the biggest star in boxing. If the fight is a war or close or Canelo wins I don't think his popularity takes much of a hit. If he is blown out in a round or 2 then it would be disastrous for them. I still think he'd get big paydays in his return fights.

[Primo Carnera]

A loss to GGG wouldn't hurt Canelo too much in my opinion. Look at Brook and Jacobs. If Canelo took the fight for a start he'd get some respect and if he gave a good account of himself that would increase.

Don't necessarily agree with that. If Canelo is this massive draw , he should be looking to win this.
Brook was 2 weight divisions below GGG. Canelo is totally different, he's the BIGGER GUY no matter what anyone would have us believe.
TBH, I'm not even that bothered about seeing the fight anymore.

Of course Canelo should be backing himself to win. I also would prefer a Jacobs rematch over this. What I'm saying is that if Canelo took the fight and made it competitive like Jacobs did it would raise his stature. If he won then it's obvious he would be the sports biggest star.

But this is the thing. He's a massive star already. I can't see how a loss of any kind makes him the biggest star in boxing, because it's a loss.
And this is why the fight hasn't been made. It's not what Canelo has to lose or gain, it's what OSCAR has to lose. He's quite happy to keep cashing him in, and if he loses Oscar can't keep spouting bullshit, so in Oscar's mind , why take the risk?

It's probably more so Oscar & Golden Boy than Canelo but he needs to shoulder some of the blame. If he really wanted the fight he would force their hand. Like he did with Lara I suppose. I don't think anyone said a loss makes him the biggest star in boxing. If the fight is a war or close or Canelo wins I don't think his popularity takes much of a hit. If he is blown out in a round or 2 then it would be disastrous for them. I still think he'd get big paydays in his return fights.

Sorry, I misread your post about the biggest star in Boxing. But I think Oscar is more worried about the risk/reward than Canelo is. I do accept Canelo could force the issue, but it's difficult when to be fair , Canelo has made a lot of money from associating with Oscar.

[Alpha]

True. Didn't he lose a lot in those recent lawsuits? $8m or so. Oscar fought most of the top guys so it seems strange he is holding Canelo back. Canelo is their biggest star tho so I guess he want to milk it as much as possible until his stable is solid again.

[Master]

True. Didn't he lose a lot in those recent lawsuits? $8m or so. Oscar fought most of the top guys so it seems strange he is holding Canelo back. Canelo is their biggest star tho so I guess he want to milk it as much as possible until his stable is solid again.

Oscar fought anyone and everyone when he was a fighter which is why he was the golden child. Canelo was solid and if GGG was not around Canelo would have stayed at middleweight.

[TitoFan]

Canelo is as much to blame, if not more than Oscar. After all... HE'S the only looking like the World's Biggest Pussy for allowing Oscar to make asinine excuses as to why he hasn't fought GGG yet. You gain your own reputation in the ring..... but promoters can sure F*CK it up for you outside of it.

[Master]

Canelo is as much to blame, if not more than Oscar. After all... HE'S the only looking like the World's Biggest Pussy for allowing Oscar to make asinine excuses as to why he hasn't fought GGG yet. You gain your own reputation in the ring..... but promoters can sure F*CK it up for you outside of it.

What do you think people say to Canelo walking around town. They may say "Go Champ" but deep inside they are thinking you pussy for not fighting GGG.

[Fenster]

No wonder Oscar wants to preserve Canelo as his top PPV star considering Schaefer/Haymon deceitfully stole all his fighters. Golden Boy have actually made a good comeback in signing tons of young American/Latino talent, but having the biggest PPV star in America is vital.

[TitoFan]

I remember that exchange. Kellerman with his tongue so far up Canelo's ass he probably reached the tonsils.
GGG should've taken Canelo up on putting on the gloves right then and there.... 'cause in real life he was never going to get the chance.

It's a tried and true boxing fact: The safest time to "call out" an opponent is from the middle of the ring right after your just concluded fight.

[Alpha]

No wonder Oscar wants to preserve Canelo as his top PPV star considering Schaefer/Haymon deceitfully stole all his fighters. Golden Boy have actually made a good comeback in signing tons of young American/Latino talent, but having the biggest PPV star in America is vital.

Sort of like King with his stable and monopoly on the heavies at a time.

[Master]

No wonder Oscar wants to preserve Canelo as his top PPV star considering Schaefer/Haymon deceitfully stole all his fighters. Golden Boy have actually made a good comeback in signing tons of young American/Latino talent, but having the biggest PPV star in America is vital.

Sort of like King with his stable and monopoly on the heavies at a time.

King was never silly enough for others to steal his fighters and he always got them back with a suitcase full of cash.

[Alpha]

No wonder Oscar wants to preserve Canelo as his top PPV star considering Schaefer/Haymon deceitfully stole all his fighters. Golden Boy have actually made a good comeback in signing tons of young American/Latino talent, but having the biggest PPV star in America is vital.

Sort of like King with his stable and monopoly on the heavies at a time.

King was never silly enough for others to steal his fighters and he always got them back with a suitcase full of cash.

He was always one tricky mofo.

[Master]

No wonder Oscar wants to preserve Canelo as his top PPV star considering Schaefer/Haymon deceitfully stole all his fighters. Golden Boy have actually made a good comeback in signing tons of young American/Latino talent, but having the biggest PPV star in America is vital.

Sort of like King with his stable and monopoly on the heavies at a time.

King was never silly enough for others to steal his fighters and he always got them back with a suitcase full of cash.

He was always one tricky mofo.

Only age has slowed King but Arum seems to be going strong.