Vasyl Lomachenko is P4P #1

[Primo Carnera]

I'm not a big fan of p4p nonsense , and Loma has a fair shout , but to say Ward and Kovalev weren't impressive is not only unfair, but pretty ridiculous.
You have to take quality of opposition into consideration and basically 2 of the the top 3 were fighting each other. You could look at it a different way and say Ward and Kov were both impressive, and Ward beat a top 2 or 3 P4p guy so should be no.1 ? And Kov was an unlucky loser against the no.1 perhaps?

I disagree, I think Ward and Kovalev were unimpresive. They are both very limited fighters. The only unlimited fighter is someone who can throw a hundred punches a round and not get tired like Calzaghe. Even when slowed against someone like Hopkins he still throws and lands a lot more. Kovalev is a 40 punches a round guy and breathes heavy doing it and and Ward is even less active and clinches to get through it.

Floyd didn't used to throw 100 punches a round, and he didn't do bad.

[Mark TKO]

I've only seen Lomachenko fight once and as skilled as he is I hardly see how someone with 9 fights can be considered for #1. And one of those also a loss.


He may well get there but not worthy yet

The end

[Fenster]

His record is as good as most in just 9 fights

[Fenster]

Has there ever been greater footwork? He's the most standout, totally unique fighter i've ever seen, a defence and offence genuis. He makes lightening fast fighters look pedestrian and lights-out punchers look useless. His loss to Salido is the most bogus piece of form in current history. And his record in 9 fights stacks up with other top P4Pers.

Loma best three wins.

Walters
Russell jr
Martinez/Sosa

Crawford's best three.

Gamboa
Beltran
Burns/Postol

Golovkin best three.

Jacobs
Lemieux
Brook

Kovalev best three

Hopkins
Pascal
Cleverly

I have him a clear no.1. If you want to base it entirely on records then Ward and Chocolatitio can be above him.

[Master]

Geale, Rubio, Murray, Monroe or Wade are better names for GGG than Brook.

[Fenster]

Have Geale, Rubio, Murray, Monroe and Wade ever been rated no.1 in their division and top 10 P4P by The Ring? That's a no. Only one of them has ever won a "world" title.

The only thing they have on Brook is being naturally bigger. And the "middleweight" Brook would beat the shit out of three and school the other two.

[Master]

Have Geale, Rubio, Murray, Monroe and Wade ever been rated no.1 in their division and top 10 P4P by The Ring? That's a no. Only one of them has ever won a "world" title.

The only thing they have on Brook is being naturally bigger. And the "middleweight" Brook would beat the shit out of three and school the other two.

Middleweight Brook would do no such thing, everyone of those middleweights would have beaten Brook. That is the reason he fights at welterweight.

[Alpha]

I have him a clear no.1. If you want to base it entirely on records then Ward and Chocolatitio can be above him.

I can't put him ahead of Crawford or Garcia yet but it is all down to personal opinion. Loma is brilliant and is included among any P4P debate. It's a fun time.

[Spicoli]

His skill speaks for itself, he's tremendous. But I need to see him face more adversity and pressure, simply see more. Every fighter on the list can be hacked apart if based on competition. He lost to Salido. Martinez arguably also lost to Salido rematch. Can anyone name unranked Russells most impressive 'huge fight' victory prior to facing Loma? I'm still wondering when Walters actually quit in that fight, was it on his stool and after a couple rounds of being bedazzled. Sosa had no business there and clearly lost to Walters. All a guy can do is dominate his opponents and it becomes a double edge sword. I believe Crawford has shown just as much if not more adjustment in a ring when breaking down his opponent and he actually had to work for and earn his professional network spot and platform.

[Alpha]

His skill speaks for itself, he's tremendous. But I need to see him face more adversity and pressure, simply see more. Every fighter on the list can be hacked apart if based on competition. He lost to Salido. Martinez arguably also lost to Salido rematch. Can anyone name unranked Russells most impressive 'huge fight' victory prior to facing Loma? I'm still wondering when Walters actually quit in that fight, was it on his stool and after a couple rounds of being bedazzled. Sosa had no business there and clearly lost to Walters. All a guy can do is dominate his opponents and it becomes a double edge sword. I believe Crawford has shown just as much if not more adjustment in a ring when breaking down his opponent and he actually had to work for and earn his professional network spot and platform.

That's what I'm saying apart from Walters who was possibly #1 at 126 Loma hasn't really fought the best in his division(s). I doubt Russell was ranked and if he was it was bottom half. Martinez and Sosa were not at the top. Ward stepped up a division to fight Kov; considered the best at 175. I thought Kov won. Gonzalez has been in with the best of 4 divisions and should still be undefeated. Crawford beat Postol who was considered the #2 and biggest challenge in the division. Garcia holds wins over Salido, Martinez and took out Zlaticanin who was considered the #2 guy at 135 (and who Linares had arguably avoided) making Garcia a 3 weight champion. I understand the buzz and watching Loma fight it is hard to deny those skills but personally I feel many are getting ahead of themselves.

That's not even taking into account a guy like Shinsuke Yamanaka. Even Inoue's record is arguably better than Loma's. Rigo ain't done sh-t lately but at least he beat a P4P guy in Donaire.

[Alpha]

I have him a clear no.1. If you want to base it entirely on records then Ward and Chocolatitio can be above him.

I provided reasons that other's have better records and accomplishments. I see you like to refer to rankings and titleholders when defending Khan but disregard them in this situation.

[Fenster]

I have him a clear no.1. If you want to base it entirely on records then Ward and Chocolatitio can be above him.

I provided reasons that other's have better records and accomplishments. I see you like to refer to rankings and titleholders when defending Khan but disregard them in this situation.

Fair enough you've provided reasons why you think others are better. I never said your opinion was wrong.

Khan? You mean the British P4P thing? I used the exact same criteria that was being used by the other member to show Khan deserves a place in the top 5. It had nothing to do with my personal opinion, just being fair and consistent.

[Gandalf]

I'm not a big fan of p4p nonsense , and Loma has a fair shout , but to say Ward and Kovalev weren't impressive is not only unfair, but pretty ridiculous.
You have to take quality of opposition into consideration and basically 2 of the the top 3 were fighting each other. You could look at it a different way and say Ward and Kov were both impressive, and Ward beat a top 2 or 3 P4p guy so should be no.1 ? And Kov was an unlucky loser against the no.1 perhaps?

I disagree, I think Ward and Kovalev were unimpresive. They are both very limited fighters. The only unlimited fighter is someone who can throw a hundred punches a round and not get tired like Calzaghe. Even when slowed against someone like Hopkins he still throws and lands a lot more. Kovalev is a 40 punches a round guy and breathes heavy doing it and and Ward is even less active and clinches to get through it.

Floyd didn't used to throw 100 punches a round, and he didn't do bad.

He was much better when young and to be fair had good movement and defence later. Calzaghe would have windmilled him. Both different levels to plod Kov and clingy Ward. Easy for Calzaghe and Floyd.