Twin Towers WTC v Grenfell Tower

[Spicoli]

The building controller who passed this specification should be hung.

Is that what all the protesting was about? They showed it last night and looked like a near riot broke out with May being jeered and rushed off the property etc.

People are annoyed about the inaction and a real response to the tragedy

Seems tragedy and empty rhetoric of officials in response knows no boarders. Was it Government owned or private. Almost sounds like it was a death trap.

[Master]

The building controller who passed this specification should be hung.

Is that what all the protesting was about? They showed it last night and looked like a near riot broke out with May being jeered and rushed off the property etc.

People are annoyed about the inaction and a real response to the tragedy

Seems tragedy and empty rhetoric of officials in response knows no boarders. Was it Government owned or private. Almost sounds like it was a death trap.

Government owned and they may have picked a cheap cladding which may have made the fire spread quicker

[walrus]

The building controller who passed this specification should be hung.

Is that what all the protesting was about? They showed it last night and looked like a near riot broke out with May being jeered and rushed off the property etc.

People are annoyed about the inaction and a real response to the tragedy

Seems tragedy and empty rhetoric of officials in response knows no boarders. Was it Government owned or private. Almost sounds like it was a death trap.

Government owned and they may have picked a cheap cladding which may have made the fire spread quicker

Terrorists were mixing bombs and screwed it up.

[Dark Lord Al]

The building will be made to a specification , if the contractor used the specified materials then he isn't at fault. That would put the fault with the architect and design team.
If the contractor used unspecified materials which didn't meet British Standard then not only is he to blame , but the building inspectors and control team who are paid to make sure the construction is up to specification before passing it as a habitable dwelling/dwellings are also at fault.

[walrus]

The building will be made to a specification , if the contractor used the specified materials then he isn't at fault. That would put the fault with the architect and design team.
If the contractor used unspecified materials which didn't meet British Standard then not only is he to blame , but the building inspectors and control team who are paid to make sure the construction is up to specification before passing it as a habitable dwelling/dwellings are also at fault.

Dudes, it's a shame but fire makes shit burn, sorry to tell that to you.

[walrus]

I have a house and if something caught on fire it very well may burn to the ground.

[X]

The Grenfell tower was an awful accident, but the New York thing was an evil terrorist attack.

[Dark Lord Al]

The building will be made to a specification , if the contractor used the specified materials then he isn't at fault. That would put the fault with the architect and design team.
If the contractor used unspecified materials which didn't meet British Standard then not only is he to blame , but the building inspectors and control team who are paid to make sure the construction is up to specification before passing it as a habitable dwelling/dwellings are also at fault.

Dudes, it's a shame but fire makes shit burn, sorry to tell that to you.

Thank you Red Adair

[Spicoli]

The building controller who passed this specification should be hung.

Is that what all the protesting was about? They showed it last night and looked like a near riot broke out with May being jeered and rushed off the property etc.

People are annoyed about the inaction and a real response to the tragedy

Seems tragedy and empty rhetoric of officials in response knows no boarders. Was it Government owned or private. Almost sounds like it was a death trap.

Government owned and they may have picked a cheap cladding which may have made the fire spread quicker

Not entirely sure how Government funded and supported housing programs work there but many places here are notorious for bad conditions and health-code violations. Until recently a couple locally were accidents waiting with limited entry- exit and half the emergency fixtures busted.

[Master]

The building controller who passed this specification should be hung.

Is that what all the protesting was about? They showed it last night and looked like a near riot broke out with May being jeered and rushed off the property etc.

People are annoyed about the inaction and a real response to the tragedy

Seems tragedy and empty rhetoric of officials in response knows no boarders. Was it Government owned or private. Almost sounds like it was a death trap.

Government owned and they may have picked a cheap cladding which may have made the fire spread quicker

Not entirely sure how Government funded and supported housing programs work there but many places here are notorious for bad conditions and health-code violations. Until recently a couple locally were accidents waiting with limited entry- exit and half the emergency fixtures busted.

This is thankfully a rare event and government regulated buildings normally have high standards. Whoever passed this refurbishment is in serious trouble.

[Beanz]

The building controller who passed this specification should be hung.

Is that what all the protesting was about? They showed it last night and looked like a near riot broke out with May being jeered and rushed off the property etc.

People are annoyed about the inaction and a real response to the tragedy

Seems tragedy and empty rhetoric of officials in response knows no boarders. Was it Government owned or private. Almost sounds like it was a death trap.

Government owned and they may have picked a cheap cladding which may have made the fire spread quicker

Not entirely sure how Government funded and supported housing programs work there but many places here are notorious for bad conditions and health-code violations. Until recently a couple locally were accidents waiting with limited entry- exit and half the emergency fixtures busted.

The list mate is mind blowing. It is a damning indictment of what happens when money becomes the bottom line and people's safety, care and well being is deemed irrelevant. Literally years of warning from the residents themselves, No proper safety procedures, Gas pipes all up the stairwells, no sprinklers, clad in highly inflammable material, fire exits blocked, access for fire trucks restricted by adjacent building, huge cuts to the fire service, etc, etc


Warning form the residents themselves in 2013 - https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpres...ing-with-fire/

here at the foot of the article are another 9 warnings from residents 9 years ago - http://www.globalresearch.ca/britain...s-like/5595084


Heads should Roll, from the top down.

Here is an example from the former Tory Mayor of London dismissing legitimate concerns about public service cuts to the fire service. Typical of the current Governments attitude (he is a current secretary of state and former wananbe PM)

[smashup]

I donated some money into a ladys bucket at Paddington station today which is just down the road, she said it was dodgy gas that might have somehow started it off but the cladding used is pure criminal.
If they would have spend just £2 more they would have bought the fire resistant cladding instead of the cheaper flammable stuff they used.

People are still sleeping in their cars over a week on and some were given £10 a night to "help them out in the short term"? WTF

It's fucking unbelievable whats happened to these people.

[El Kabong]

I donated some money into a ladys bucket at Paddington station today which is just down the road, she said it was dodgy gas that might have somehow started it off but the cladding used is pure criminal.
If they would have spend just £2 more they would have bought the fire resistant cladding instead of the cheaper flammable stuff they used.

People are still sleeping in their cars over a week on and some were given £10 a night to "help them out in the short term"? WTF

It's fucking unbelievable whats happened to these people.

So I know that these folks weren't the best off to start with but did they not have Renter's Insurance? Typically that covers "Loss of Use" which is certainly covered in the case of a fire. Granted that's not for like extended stays in other places, but it's enough to get you to a new place.....probably hard in such a big city, but typically actuaries take that into account with premium prices and the like.

[Beanz]

I donated some money into a ladys bucket at Paddington station today which is just down the road, she said it was dodgy gas that might have somehow started it off but the cladding used is pure criminal.If they would have spend just £2 more they would have bought the fire resistant cladding instead of the cheaper flammable stuff they used.People are still sleeping in their cars over a week on and some were given £10 a night to "help them out in the short term"? WTF It's fucking unbelievable whats happened to these people.

So I know that these folks weren't the best off to start with but did they not have Renter's Insurance? Typically that covers "Loss of Use" which is certainly covered in the case of a fire. Granted that's not for like extended stays in other places, but it's enough to get you to a new place.....probably hard in such a big city, but typically actuaries take that into account with premium prices and the like.

Wow.

[Dark Lord Al]

I donated some money into a ladys bucket at Paddington station today which is just down the road, she said it was dodgy gas that might have somehow started it off but the cladding used is pure criminal.
If they would have spend just £2 more they would have bought the fire resistant cladding instead of the cheaper flammable stuff they used.

People are still sleeping in their cars over a week on and some were given £10 a night to "help them out in the short term"? WTF

It's fucking unbelievable whats happened to these people.

So I know that these folks weren't the best off to start with but did they not have Renter's Insurance? Typically that covers "Loss of Use" which is certainly covered in the case of a fire. Granted that's not for like extended stays in other places, but it's enough to get you to a new place.....probably hard in such a big city, but typically actuaries take that into account with premium prices and the like.

I think all hard working people have house insurance , so they will be fine.
Once the insurance companies get their finger out and pay them.