Twin Towers WTC v Grenfell Tower

[Dark Lord Al]

The building will be made to a specification , if the contractor used the specified materials then he isn't at fault. That would put the fault with the architect and design team.
If the contractor used unspecified materials which didn't meet British Standard then not only is he to blame , but the building inspectors and control team who are paid to make sure the construction is up to specification before passing it as a habitable dwelling/dwellings are also at fault.

Dudes, it's a shame but fire makes shit burn, sorry to tell that to you.

Thank you Red Adair

[Spicoli]

The building controller who passed this specification should be hung.

Is that what all the protesting was about? They showed it last night and looked like a near riot broke out with May being jeered and rushed off the property etc.

People are annoyed about the inaction and a real response to the tragedy

Seems tragedy and empty rhetoric of officials in response knows no boarders. Was it Government owned or private. Almost sounds like it was a death trap.

Government owned and they may have picked a cheap cladding which may have made the fire spread quicker

Not entirely sure how Government funded and supported housing programs work there but many places here are notorious for bad conditions and health-code violations. Until recently a couple locally were accidents waiting with limited entry- exit and half the emergency fixtures busted.

[Master]

The building controller who passed this specification should be hung.

Is that what all the protesting was about? They showed it last night and looked like a near riot broke out with May being jeered and rushed off the property etc.

People are annoyed about the inaction and a real response to the tragedy

Seems tragedy and empty rhetoric of officials in response knows no boarders. Was it Government owned or private. Almost sounds like it was a death trap.

Government owned and they may have picked a cheap cladding which may have made the fire spread quicker

Not entirely sure how Government funded and supported housing programs work there but many places here are notorious for bad conditions and health-code violations. Until recently a couple locally were accidents waiting with limited entry- exit and half the emergency fixtures busted.

This is thankfully a rare event and government regulated buildings normally have high standards. Whoever passed this refurbishment is in serious trouble.

[Beanz]

The building controller who passed this specification should be hung.

Is that what all the protesting was about? They showed it last night and looked like a near riot broke out with May being jeered and rushed off the property etc.

People are annoyed about the inaction and a real response to the tragedy

Seems tragedy and empty rhetoric of officials in response knows no boarders. Was it Government owned or private. Almost sounds like it was a death trap.

Government owned and they may have picked a cheap cladding which may have made the fire spread quicker

Not entirely sure how Government funded and supported housing programs work there but many places here are notorious for bad conditions and health-code violations. Until recently a couple locally were accidents waiting with limited entry- exit and half the emergency fixtures busted.

The list mate is mind blowing. It is a damning indictment of what happens when money becomes the bottom line and people's safety, care and well being is deemed irrelevant. Literally years of warning from the residents themselves, No proper safety procedures, Gas pipes all up the stairwells, no sprinklers, clad in highly inflammable material, fire exits blocked, access for fire trucks restricted by adjacent building, huge cuts to the fire service, etc, etc


Warning form the residents themselves in 2013 - https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpres...ing-with-fire/

here at the foot of the article are another 9 warnings from residents 9 years ago - http://www.globalresearch.ca/britain...s-like/5595084


Heads should Roll, from the top down.

Here is an example from the former Tory Mayor of London dismissing legitimate concerns about public service cuts to the fire service. Typical of the current Governments attitude (he is a current secretary of state and former wananbe PM)

[smashup]

I donated some money into a ladys bucket at Paddington station today which is just down the road, she said it was dodgy gas that might have somehow started it off but the cladding used is pure criminal.
If they would have spend just £2 more they would have bought the fire resistant cladding instead of the cheaper flammable stuff they used.

People are still sleeping in their cars over a week on and some were given £10 a night to "help them out in the short term"? WTF

It's fucking unbelievable whats happened to these people.

[El Kabong]

I donated some money into a ladys bucket at Paddington station today which is just down the road, she said it was dodgy gas that might have somehow started it off but the cladding used is pure criminal.
If they would have spend just £2 more they would have bought the fire resistant cladding instead of the cheaper flammable stuff they used.

People are still sleeping in their cars over a week on and some were given £10 a night to "help them out in the short term"? WTF

It's fucking unbelievable whats happened to these people.

So I know that these folks weren't the best off to start with but did they not have Renter's Insurance? Typically that covers "Loss of Use" which is certainly covered in the case of a fire. Granted that's not for like extended stays in other places, but it's enough to get you to a new place.....probably hard in such a big city, but typically actuaries take that into account with premium prices and the like.

[Beanz]

I donated some money into a ladys bucket at Paddington station today which is just down the road, she said it was dodgy gas that might have somehow started it off but the cladding used is pure criminal.If they would have spend just £2 more they would have bought the fire resistant cladding instead of the cheaper flammable stuff they used.People are still sleeping in their cars over a week on and some were given £10 a night to "help them out in the short term"? WTF It's fucking unbelievable whats happened to these people.

So I know that these folks weren't the best off to start with but did they not have Renter's Insurance? Typically that covers "Loss of Use" which is certainly covered in the case of a fire. Granted that's not for like extended stays in other places, but it's enough to get you to a new place.....probably hard in such a big city, but typically actuaries take that into account with premium prices and the like.

Wow.

[Dark Lord Al]

I donated some money into a ladys bucket at Paddington station today which is just down the road, she said it was dodgy gas that might have somehow started it off but the cladding used is pure criminal.
If they would have spend just £2 more they would have bought the fire resistant cladding instead of the cheaper flammable stuff they used.

People are still sleeping in their cars over a week on and some were given £10 a night to "help them out in the short term"? WTF

It's fucking unbelievable whats happened to these people.

So I know that these folks weren't the best off to start with but did they not have Renter's Insurance? Typically that covers "Loss of Use" which is certainly covered in the case of a fire. Granted that's not for like extended stays in other places, but it's enough to get you to a new place.....probably hard in such a big city, but typically actuaries take that into account with premium prices and the like.

I think all hard working people have house insurance , so they will be fine.
Once the insurance companies get their finger out and pay them.

[Spicoli]

I donated some money into a ladys bucket at Paddington station today which is just down the road, she said it was dodgy gas that might have somehow started it off but the cladding used is pure criminal.
If they would have spend just £2 more they would have bought the fire resistant cladding instead of the cheaper flammable stuff they used.

People are still sleeping in their cars over a week on and some were given £10 a night to "help them out in the short term"? WTF

It's fucking unbelievable whats happened to these people.

You have to feel for them. Being suddenly displaced and losing everything literally within one hr or less is near dehumanizing. Unless you have immediate family close or a good chunk of money in the bank you go into hr to hr improvising looking for any semblance of 'normal'. We were flooded out a decade ago no insurance, the property roped off and ruled uninhabitable even though you could 'see' your possessions no one is allowed back in. No hotels, no cash and slept in the auto in a fookin Walmart parking lot for days with sponge baths at car washes (that shit hurts btw) or any store bathroom you could manage. You count on the kindness of strangers like never before and it's all you can do not to snap.

Do you guys have anything like the Red Cross over there? With isolated fires or apartments being damaged badly they try to chip in for at least a few nights in a hotel here and a few hot meals. Good on you for coming out of your own pocket for them.

[El Kabong]

I donated some money into a ladys bucket at Paddington station today which is just down the road, she said it was dodgy gas that might have somehow started it off but the cladding used is pure criminal.If they would have spend just £2 more they would have bought the fire resistant cladding instead of the cheaper flammable stuff they used.People are still sleeping in their cars over a week on and some were given £10 a night to "help them out in the short term"? WTF It's fucking unbelievable whats happened to these people.

So I know that these folks weren't the best off to start with but did they not have Renter's Insurance? Typically that covers "Loss of Use" which is certainly covered in the case of a fire. Granted that's not for like extended stays in other places, but it's enough to get you to a new place.....probably hard in such a big city, but typically actuaries take that into account with premium prices and the like.

Wow.

What now? Is it audacious to ask if they had insurance?

[Dark Lord Al]

I donated some money into a ladys bucket at Paddington station today which is just down the road, she said it was dodgy gas that might have somehow started it off but the cladding used is pure criminal.If they would have spend just £2 more they would have bought the fire resistant cladding instead of the cheaper flammable stuff they used.People are still sleeping in their cars over a week on and some were given £10 a night to "help them out in the short term"? WTF It's fucking unbelievable whats happened to these people.

So I know that these folks weren't the best off to start with but did they not have Renter's Insurance? Typically that covers "Loss of Use" which is certainly covered in the case of a fire. Granted that's not for like extended stays in other places, but it's enough to get you to a new place.....probably hard in such a big city, but typically actuaries take that into account with premium prices and the like.

Wow.

What now? Is it audacious to ask if they had insurance?

Yes remember the left wants us all to work harder as we are supporting over 50 other people of all nationalities.

[El Kabong]

I thought @Beanz was a huge fan of the NHS but apparently property insurance is just to bourgeois for him

[Beanz]

I thought @Beanz was a huge fan of the NHS but apparently property insurance is just to bourgeois for him

It does not work like that in the UK. In council housing you do not own the property and while you may insure your home for contents, fire and theft the companies will do all they can to avoid paying out anything but the minimum and the rates for covering something like re-homing would probably be astronomical.

[walrus]

I thought @Beanz was a huge fan of the NHS but apparently property insurance is just to bourgeois for him

It does not work like that in the UK. In council housing you do not own the property and while you may insure your home for contents, fire and theft the companies will do all they can to avoid paying out anything but the minimum and the rates for covering something like re-homing would probably be astronomical.

Hmmm here I had little trouble collecting money for water damage. Got a new floor in my basement fully paid for. Then the bastards waited a while and dropped me. That was over 10 years without a claim. I then had trouble being accepted by a new place. So you pay not to use it, bastards.
Years

[El Kabong]

I thought @Beanz was a huge fan of the NHS but apparently property insurance is just to bourgeois for him

It does not work like that in the UK. In council housing you do not own the property and while you may insure your home for contents, fire and theft the companies will do all they can to avoid paying out anything but the minimum and the rates for covering something like re-homing would probably be astronomical.

contents ARE property and if you have renters insurance it pays for loss of use ergo my asking "Do they have insurance? "


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