Ward vs Calzaghe

[Master]

Ward isn't alien to making adjustments either. Like you said, BHOP gave Calzaghe problems, so a version 10-15 years younger might just beat him. Ward for me.

You are Italian that is sacrilegious!

[Dia bando]

Joe for me a couple of scouting round Joe outboxes the dirty git.

[Fenster]

I've watched that vid too. They always favour the American(black guy) but with a harmless fun-knowing wink. It was noticeable that most of Calzaghe's votes came from guys that fought in his era, in the 90s, whereas the younger guys were for Ward. But most were 50-50-ish saying Calzaghe is a great.

"He slaps yeah, he slaps the hell out of your face" - Kofi.

[Primo Carnera]

Ward isn't alien to making adjustments either. Like you said, BHOP gave Calzaghe problems, so a version 10-15 years younger might just beat him. Ward for me.

You are Italian that is sacrilegious!

I know mate, I went to watch Joe live a few times as well and I like him, but just trying to tell it as it is.
Having said that , Joe would've beaten every other British SMW there has been, hands down.
So how does it feel that Britain's Rea test ever SMW was in fact ITALIAN? 😂😂

[Beanz]

Ward isn't alien to making adjustments either. Like you said, BHOP gave Calzaghe problems, so a version 10-15 years younger might just beat him. Ward for me.

You are Italian that is sacrilegious!

I know mate, I went to watch Joe live a few times as well and I like him, but just trying to tell it as it is.
Having said that , Joe would've beaten every other British SMW there has been, hands down.
So how does it feel that Britain's Rea test ever SMW was in fact ITALIAN? ������������

English actually. He was born in Landan and didn't move to Wales until he was 2, by which time there is no turning back.

[powerpuncher]

Calzaghe definitely wins some rounds because he is busy, but Ward is fast and accurate. He would be able to time Calzaghe and land some hard shots. And Ward can fight so many styles to where I think he slows him down quite a bit by his tactics.

I think the scorecards would be anywhere from 117-111 to 115-113

[Master]

Calzaghe definitely wins some rounds because he is busy, but Ward is fast and accurate. He would be able to time Calzaghe and land some hard shots. And Ward can fight so many styles to where I think he slows him down quite a bit by his tactics.

I think the scorecards would be anywhere from 117-111 to 115-113

If Joe was losing, he would just machine gun Ward with a million punches per round and just take them on sheer volume.

[powerpuncher]

Calzaghe definitely wins some rounds because he is busy, but Ward is fast and accurate. He would be able to time Calzaghe and land some hard shots. And Ward can fight so many styles to where I think he slows him down quite a bit by his tactics.

I think the scorecards would be anywhere from 117-111 to 115-113

If Joe was losing, he would just machine gun Ward with a million punches per round and just take them on sheer volume.

Great fighters slow down volume punchers. I don't think Joe would be throwing a ton of punches come the mid rounds because Ward would be making him pay

[Master]

Calzaghe definitely wins some rounds because he is busy, but Ward is fast and accurate. He would be able to time Calzaghe and land some hard shots. And Ward can fight so many styles to where I think he slows him down quite a bit by his tactics.

I think the scorecards would be anywhere from 117-111 to 115-113

If Joe was losing, he would just machine gun Ward with a million punches per round and just take them on sheer volume.

Great fighters slow down volume punchers. I don't think Joe would be throwing a ton of punches come the mid rounds because Ward would be making him pay

Joe had a way to dig deep and throw relentless punches. After a disastrous start against B Hop he just went into assault mode and B Hop could not cope and went all negative.

[ryanman]

Ward isn't alien to making adjustments either. Like you said, BHOP gave Calzaghe problems, so a version 10-15 years younger might just beat him. Ward for me.

You are Italian that is sacrilegious!

I know mate, I went to watch Joe live a few times as well and I like him, but just trying to tell it as it is.
Having said that , Joe would've beaten every other British SMW there has been, hands down.
So how does it feel that Britain's Rea test ever SMW was in fact ITALIAN? ������������

Mate, I know you say this kind of thing all the time, and I THINK it's a bit tongue-in-cheek, but would you truly consider Calzaghe to be more of an Italian than a Welshman?
For most people he's a Brit/Welsh with Italian heritage.

Also, I'm pretty sure I've seen logic of yours in regards to other fighters that if applied to Calzaghe would preclude him being primarily 'Italian' .

[Primo Carnera]

Ward isn't alien to making adjustments either. Like you said, BHOP gave Calzaghe problems, so a version 10-15 years younger might just beat him. Ward for me.

You are Italian that is sacrilegious!

I know mate, I went to watch Joe live a few times as well and I like him, but just trying to tell it as it is.
Having said that , Joe would've beaten every other British SMW there has been, hands down.
So how does it feel that Britain's Rea test ever SMW was in fact ITALIAN? ������������

Mate, I know you say this kind of thing all the time, and I THINK it's a bit tongue-in-cheek, but would you truly consider Calzaghe to be more of an Italian than a Welshman?
For most people he's a Brit/Welsh with Italian heritage.

Also, I'm pretty sure I've seen logic of yours in regards to other fighters that if applied to Calzaghe would preclude him being primarily 'Italian' .

Mate, you're right, it is a bit tongue in cheek, but I do disagree with you slightly. I see him more as Welsh/Italian , British doesn't come into it. He clearly feels that way as well.
He used to have the Welsh and Italian flags on his shorts , but I never saw a Union Jack.
This is the age old theme where if he's Welsh (or Scottish or Irish) and he's unsuccessful, then he's Welsh. But if he's Welsh and successful, then he's BRITISH.
Whereas if he's English and successful, he's English.
He's clearly Welsh and I'm not really trying to claim him for Italy, that's for him to do himself.
But I know for an absolute fact that he feels more Italian than he does English or even British.

[Beanz]

Ward isn't alien to making adjustments either. Like you said, BHOP gave Calzaghe problems, so a version 10-15 years younger might just beat him. Ward for me.

You are Italian that is sacrilegious!

I know mate, I went to watch Joe live a few times as well and I like him, but just trying to tell it as it is.
Having said that , Joe would've beaten every other British SMW there has been, hands down.
So how does it feel that Britain's Rea test ever SMW was in fact ITALIAN? ������������

Mate, I know you say this kind of thing all the time, and I THINK it's a bit tongue-in-cheek, but would you truly consider Calzaghe to be more of an Italian than a Welshman?
For most people he's a Brit/Welsh with Italian heritage.

Also, I'm pretty sure I've seen logic of yours in regards to other fighters that if applied to Calzaghe would preclude him being primarily 'Italian' .

Mate, you're right, it is a bit tongue in cheek, but I do disagree with you slightly. I see him more as Welsh/Italian , British doesn't come into it. He clearly feels that way as well.
He used to have the Welsh and Italian flags on his shorts , but I never saw a Union Jack.
This is the age old theme where if he's Welsh (or Scottish or Irish) and he's unsuccessful, then he's Welsh. But if he's Welsh and successful, then he's BRITISH.
Whereas if he's English and successful, he's English.
He's clearly Welsh and I'm not really trying to claim him for Italy, that's for him to do himself.
But I know for an absolute fact that he feels more Italian than he does English or even British.

Despite being born in England and Wales being in Britain.

[Primo Carnera]

Ward isn't alien to making adjustments either. Like you said, BHOP gave Calzaghe problems, so a version 10-15 years younger might just beat him. Ward for me.

You are Italian that is sacrilegious!

I know mate, I went to watch Joe live a few times as well and I like him, but just trying to tell it as it is.
Having said that , Joe would've beaten every other British SMW there has been, hands down.
So how does it feel that Britain's Rea test ever SMW was in fact ITALIAN? ������������

Mate, I know you say this kind of thing all the time, and I THINK it's a bit tongue-in-cheek, but would you truly consider Calzaghe to be more of an Italian than a Welshman?
For most people he's a Brit/Welsh with Italian heritage.

Also, I'm pretty sure I've seen logic of yours in regards to other fighters that if applied to Calzaghe would preclude him being primarily 'Italian' .

Mate, you're right, it is a bit tongue in cheek, but I do disagree with you slightly. I see him more as Welsh/Italian , British doesn't come into it. He clearly feels that way as well.
He used to have the Welsh and Italian flags on his shorts , but I never saw a Union Jack.
This is the age old theme where if he's Welsh (or Scottish or Irish) and he's unsuccessful, then he's Welsh. But if he's Welsh and successful, then he's BRITISH.
Whereas if he's English and successful, he's English.
He's clearly Welsh and I'm not really trying to claim him for Italy, that's for him to do himself.
But I know for an absolute fact that he feels more Italian than he does English or even British.

Despite being born in England and Wales being in Britain.

Nice one @Beanz. How about a bit of light reading for you. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oly...rn-abroad.html
After you've read that, I wonder if you could let me know the nationality of the sportsmen listed below, going by your own rules of eligibility .
Mo Farah, Chris Froome, Bradley Wiggins, Justin Rose, Mike Catt, Mako Vunipola, Manu Tuilagi, Toby Faletau, John Barnes, Owen Hargreaves, Greg Rusedski and let's not even mention Cricketers.
Trust me , that list was concocted in about 5 minutes, I'm sure I could add many,many more.
Remember this was YOUR line of reasoning. Have a nice day.

[TitoFan]

LMAO at the times I've seen someone claim that nationality plays no part in their being fans of certain boxers (I've read this here a LOT)..... and then those very same people scramble to stake a claim in X or Y boxer. Boxing as a whole (including us fans) is a wholly entertaining sport.

Of course, a lot has to do with the fighter's record and skill level. If he's no good, nobody claims him. If he's great, pull out the birth certificates, places and times of residence, Olympic representations, etc, etc.

[Beanz]

Ward isn't alien to making adjustments either. Like you said, BHOP gave Calzaghe problems, so a version 10-15 years younger might just beat him. Ward for me.

You are Italian that is sacrilegious!

I know mate, I went to watch Joe live a few times as well and I like him, but just trying to tell it as it is.
Having said that , Joe would've beaten every other British SMW there has been, hands down.
So how does it feel that Britain's Rea test ever SMW was in fact ITALIAN? ������������

Mate, I know you say this kind of thing all the time, and I THINK it's a bit tongue-in-cheek, but would you truly consider Calzaghe to be more of an Italian than a Welshman?
For most people he's a Brit/Welsh with Italian heritage.

Also, I'm pretty sure I've seen logic of yours in regards to other fighters that if applied to Calzaghe would preclude him being primarily 'Italian' .

Mate, you're right, it is a bit tongue in cheek, but I do disagree with you slightly. I see him more as Welsh/Italian , British doesn't come into it. He clearly feels that way as well.
He used to have the Welsh and Italian flags on his shorts , but I never saw a Union Jack.
This is the age old theme where if he's Welsh (or Scottish or Irish) and he's unsuccessful, then he's Welsh. But if he's Welsh and successful, then he's BRITISH.
Whereas if he's English and successful, he's English.
He's clearly Welsh and I'm not really trying to claim him for Italy, that's for him to do himself.
But I know for an absolute fact that he feels more Italian than he does English or even British.

Despite being born in England and Wales being in Britain.

Nice one @Beanz. How about a bit of light reading for you. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oly...rn-abroad.html
After you've read that, I wonder if you could let me know the nationality of the sportsmen listed below, going by your own rules of eligibility .
Mo Farah, Chris Froome, Bradley Wiggins, Justin Rose, Mike Catt, Mako Vunipola, Manu Tuilagi, Toby Faletau, John Barnes, Owen Hargreaves, Greg Rusedski and let's not even mention Cricketers.
Trust me , that list was concocted in about 5 minutes, I'm sure I could add many,many more.
Remember this was YOUR line of reasoning. Have a nice day.

By any criteria he is British. He was born in Britain, grew up in Britain, fought as Both an Amateur and Pro in Britain as a Brit with a British Passport. Even his dad moved from Italy to England when he was two so quite why you have such a problem with him being British is a bit beyond me. He has not even ever (to the best of my knowledge) represented Italy so you are just clutching at straws now.