Twin Towers WTC v Grenfell Tower

[Beanz]

Not to mention the Council had MORE THAN ENOUGH funds to remedy the situation prior to the blaze...and those being tax funds the citizenry should be well pissed off that their money they EARNED and the fat fucking council members are just sitting on that while receiving MORE taxed money.But you can't fucking say that because someone might get all angry with the wrong folk....it's the wealthy people who need dealing with, heads on pikes and all that

This is the exact argument that people have been making though Lyle. It's our tax money. Our council tax, our income tax, our national insurance and the Tories in charge, whether that be councillors or MPs, are usually those same double barrelled surname rich aristocrats giving themselves 12% pay rises and then refusing to grant public sector workers (fire brigade,nurses,garbage collectors, state prosecutors, paramedics etc) more than 1%. So the working poors wages do not even keep up with inflation. These same politicians are lobbied by huge corporations with special interests who offer them places on the board and shares etc and so laws are made that again give them huge tax breaks and slack legislation that again punishes the working poor. It's happening in your country too. When huge corporates like Amazon and Google operate like states paying no tax and dictating policy, the flaws in the American model are obvious. Austerity and poor basic services and rights, like the right to not be burned alive for the working man, and pay rises and no tax for the top 1%. It does not make someone a communist to point this out.

Ah yes.....ONLY Tories.I had a feeling that would be the response.Carry on

Yes because they do not believe in public services. If you think you know more about British politics than the Brits why would you even post in this thread? I have nothing against wealthy people I know people who own stately homes who are lovely people but there is no excuse for not paying your taxes or abusing the power that wealth gives you to keep other people down. I mean it's quite uncontroversial stuff but if you think those working in the public sector do not deserve a pay rise at least in line with inflation at 2.9% then you are aligning yourself with the Tories. In the Labour and every other parties manifesto they guaranteed a pay rise of above 1% for firemen etc. Even under the worst "new labour" government when I was a public sector worker for the CPS we were given a pay rise above inflation and certainly above 1%. So yes Only the Tories

In the private sector, my wages only went up considerably below inflation under LABOUR. Many in the private sector are down on what they were earning 10 years ago, the public service workers are doing pretty well all things considered.

It is not the job of Government to dictate what people get paid in the private sector and Nurses using food banks would suggest you are mistaken. You don't have to go into burning buildings or pick up peoples heads from road accidents so why should anybody care what you think about anything over there in your South Korean Ivory tower?

Because your statement was untrue. It happens under Labour and Tories. The public sector generally fares better than those in the private sector and even 1% is better than what those working privately have been getting. Rather than concede a point you resort to the 'You don't live here' argument. Incredibly weak.

You sound like Norman Lamont. Public sector wages are falling in real terms not helped by the plumit of the pound after Brexit. You have shown your true colours Miles with the disdain you reserve for those on council estates and the disabled who apparently have themselves to blame for bad lifestyle choices. Now you are more worried about private sector workers as though there is no value in public service.

[Beanz]

Here you go Miles this is who you are aligning yourself against now. Please tell me I am mistaken

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I need to take a break from this incessant unpleasantry. The forum is not what it was.