At least 59 dead, 100 injured in Las Vegas shooting

[El Kabong]

I don't understand the concept of it, someone breaks into my home they will meet Mr Hammer who sleeps next to my bed, every now and again I use Mr Hammer to hammer nails into stuff.
If I had a gun it'd be for the soul intention of killing someone, that I can't grasp the concept of.

Having said that if someone was to break into my home the chances of them having a gun are very very very slim, Mr Hammer would most likely be sufficient.

1. A hammer might work for 1 intruder......what if there are 2, what if you're out numbered, what if you're out muscled? Guns tend to level the playing field in those areas.
2. You mean "sole" as in only. It would depend on what you wanted to use the gun for. If you hunt, then obviously all guns aren't for killing people (though they could be used for that purpose if the need arose). If you wanted something to protect your house then either a tactical shotgun or a pistol/revolver would be used and yeah those are to do away with people who have bad intentions.
3. The likelihood of you being at home when there is a break in attempt is higher for the simple fact that you do not own a gun.
4. People do not have gun ownership FORCED upon them, in America you may decide whether or not you would like a gun and should you be a law abiding citizen the government allows for it. Why is MY right so upsetting to people in England....I could aim any of my firearms in the direction of England....they don't have the range to do you any harm

[Batman]

I don't understand the concept of it, someone breaks into my home they will meet Mr Hammer who sleeps next to my bed, every now and again I use Mr Hammer to hammer nails into stuff.
If I had a gun it'd be for the soul intention of killing someone, that I can't grasp the concept of.

Having said that if someone was to break into my home the chances of them having a gun are very very very slim, Mr Hammer would most likely be sufficient.

1. A hammer might work for 1 intruder......what if there are 2, what if you're out numbered, what if you're out muscled? Guns tend to level the playing field in those areas.
2. You mean "sole" as in only. It would depend on what you wanted to use the gun for. If you hunt, then obviously all guns aren't for killing people (though they could be used for that purpose if the need arose). If you wanted something to protect your house then either a tactical shotgun or a pistol/revolver would be used and yeah those are to do away with people who have bad intentions.
3. The likelihood of you being at home when there is a break in attempt is higher for the simple fact that you do not own a gun.
4. People do not have gun ownership FORCED upon them, in America you may decide whether or not you would like a gun and should you be a law abiding citizen the government allows for it. Why is MY right so upsetting to people in England....I could aim any of my firearms in the direction of England....they don't have the range to do you any harm

1. At the same time if there was more than one then I would be contending with more than one gun being aimed and fired at me, in the UK I'd probably take a bit of a kicking (mind you that isn't taking into account knife crime around here)
2. Yeah blame my phones auto correct on that bit.
3. In the UK the chances of being at home in the UK when there is a break in attempt is extremely low I would imagine.
4. I don't find it upsetting, I just said I don't understand it, given the fact that I've never even held a gun in my life I think that kind of makes sense.

[Freedom]

Las Vegas update:

• 58 people killed
• 515 injured

[greynotsoold]

One guy did all that? Shooting down from the 32nd floor?

[Master]

One guy did all that? Shooting down from the 32nd floor?

Yes.

[Batman]

americas-deadliest-shootings

[Batman]

@El Kabong

You seem to be the resident gun expert, whats the crack with this business about silencers?
What difference would it make if they were legalized?

I see that Hill Dogs statement has annoyed some people.

I always thought that the ''put put' noise that you get from silencers in the films is pure fiction and that real silencers don't make much of a difference to the volume at all so what are the arguments for and against.

[greynotsoold]

One guy did all that? Shooting down from the 32nd floor?

Yes.

It is very difficult to shoot downhill unless you are quite good at shooting. Plus, automatic weapons tend to ride up as they fire.

[Master]

One guy did all that? Shooting down from the 32nd floor?

Yes.

It is very difficult to shoot downhill unless you are quite good at shooting. Plus, automatic weapons tend to ride up as they fire.

Maybe he is a great shot.

[El Kabong]

1. At the same time if there was more than one then I would be contending with more than one gun being aimed and fired at me, in the UK I'd probably take a bit of a kicking (mind you that isn't taking into account knife crime around here)
2. Yeah blame my phones auto correct on that bit.
3. In the UK the chances of being at home in the UK when there is a break in attempt is extremely low I would imagine.
4. I don't find it upsetting, I just said I don't understand it, given the fact that I've never even held a gun in my life I think that kind of makes sense.

1. People may not enjoy being hit with a hammer....but it's better than being shot.
2. Well there you go
3. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...0-minutes.html vs http://www.jsu.edu/police/docs/Schoolsafety.pdf
4. Well the long and short of it is: Here in America you're allowed to protect yourself and your property SPECIFICALLY with firearms as stated in the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights is NOT a list of things Government can/should do, it's a list of things Government cannot/should not do. These Rights are not granted by the Government, they are granted by our Creator. That being the case they are "inalienable" meaning "unable to be taken away from or given away by the possessor."....I don't need the Government's permission to protect my property from unlawful intruders, I don't have to ask permission. Likewise, if somebody is robbing me in the city or attempting to steal my car or what have you, yes I can defend my property. It's REALLY simple.

[X]

Of course, it's now been revealed that the shooter was an accountant. What a fucking surprise. The so-called 'profession of peace'. The image of the grey haired, bespectacled accountant is just complete urban media brainwashing.

All they are employed to do is count stuff, for fucks sake. I could count to infinity before I was ten years old, so why do we need them.

Round the fuckers up and deport them, I say.

[Master]

Of course, it's now been revealed that the shooter was an accountant. What a fucking surprise. The so-called 'profession of peace'. The image of the grey haired, bespectacled accountant is just complete urban media brainwashing.

All they are employed to do is count stuff, for fucks sake. I could count to infinity before I was ten years old, so why do we need them.

Round the fuckers up and deport them, I say.

You obviously have not seen the film Accountant starring Ben Affleck.

[Xwetie]

CIA did this, goverment did this, same with the 9/11


What happens in Vegas doesn't stays in vegas

[Batman]

4. Well the long and short of it is: Here in America you're allowed to protect yourself and your property SPECIFICALLY with firearms as stated in the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights is NOT a list of things Government can/should do, it's a list of things Government cannot/should not do. These Rights are not granted by the Government, they are granted by our Creator. That being the case they are "inalienable" meaning "unable to be taken away from or given away by the possessor."....I don't need the Government's permission to protect my property from unlawful intruders, I don't have to ask permission. Likewise, if somebody is robbing me in the city or attempting to steal my car or what have you, yes I can defend my property. It's REALLY simple.

Yeah I get all that, I think I'm happier here in the UK without the guns, its 2 completely different cultures, I'm not going to pretend to understand yours because it is a completely alien mentality to me, just as I'm sure mine is to you

back on topic, its just came out that the dudes dad was on the FBI's most wanted list back in 1969

The brother of the Las Vegas attacker has told US media that their father had for a time been on the infamous FBI Most Wanted List.

Patrick Benjamin Paddock had been "diagnosed as psychopathic, has carried firearms in commission of bank robberies" and "reportedly has suicidal tendencies and should be considered armed and very dangerous," according to the FBI bulletin from 1969.

[El Kabong]

4. Well the long and short of it is: Here in America you're allowed to protect yourself and your property SPECIFICALLY with firearms as stated in the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights is NOT a list of things Government can/should do, it's a list of things Government cannot/should not do. These Rights are not granted by the Government, they are granted by our Creator. That being the case they are "inalienable" meaning "unable to be taken away from or given away by the possessor."....I don't need the Government's permission to protect my property from unlawful intruders, I don't have to ask permission. Likewise, if somebody is robbing me in the city or attempting to steal my car or what have you, yes I can defend my property. It's REALLY simple.

Yeah I get all that, I think I'm happier here in the UK without the guns, its 2 completely different cultures, I'm not going to pretend to understand yours because it is a completely alien mentality to me, just as I'm sure mine is to you

back on topic, its just came out that the dudes dad was on the FBI's most wanted list back in 1969

The brother of the Las Vegas attacker has told US media that their father had for a time been on the infamous FBI Most Wanted List.

Patrick Benjamin Paddock had been "diagnosed as psychopathic, has carried firearms in commission of bank robberies" and "reportedly has suicidal tendencies and should be considered armed and very dangerous," according to the FBI bulletin from 1969.

Yes, it is 2 different cultures and that is OK.


Yeah that is pretty freaky about his Dad...I would imagine that would have thrown red flags up to the FBI and ATF had he gone through the procedure of obtaining a Class 3 license. His brother said he wasn't a big gun nut either and then there's ISIS claiming responsibility and that the guy is a new convert.....very odd indeed