Haye of 2009/10 vs Joshua and Wilder

[Primo Carnera]

On the other thread I was just talking about this. I reckon the best Haye would've beaten AJ and Wilder. There was some footage that came out a while ago of Haye and Wilder sparring when Haye was preparing for the Fury fight. They were pretty full on and Haye was wobbling Wilder with some Bombs.
It wasn't all one way, Wilder let Haye have some as well, but Haye didn't take a step back.
He would've been too busy for AJ, And as for Fury, Haye would've just been all over him like a rash.
But ............them days are gone unfortunately.

[Mark TKO]

I think Haye of that period beats AJ and Wilder.

AJ gets caught too easily and Haye back then would land - today’s Haye could even get lucky against him.

I think Fury would maybe beat Haye of then though might have had to get up off the floor to eventually wear him Down with his size

[Master]

Was Haye really that good as heavyweight than I remember?

[Primo Carnera]

Was Haye really that good as heavyweight than I remember?

It says more about the quality of the current crop.
I like AJ, but at the moment his best win was against a 41 year old.

[Ron Swanson]

People always say todays crop is worse. During Haye's "prime" when he fought nobody before his wasted years when he fought nobody it was called "the worst era in heavyweight history" by most. AJ and Wilder are talented in any era. How much success they would have in different eras can be debated but they are talented without doubt.

[oakleyno1]

Regards Fury - who was clearly a better fight for his bout vs Klit - but Stevie Cunningham put hi down solidly with a right hand - I think Haye takes him out even these days. I've always thought Haye is a bad matchup for Fury since Cunningham

[Primo Carnera]

People always say todays crop is worse. During Haye's "prime" when he fought nobody before his wasted years when he fought nobody it was called "the worst era in heavyweight history" by most. AJ and Wilder are talented in any era. How much success they would have in different eras can be debated but they are talented without doubt.

Hey, we can all slag Haye off, but he went up to HW as the undisputed best CW out there. Bellew went up , probably not even as one of the top 5 CW's and he's fucking ranked in the top 10 ffs.
at the time it probably was "the worst era in heavyweight history" , but it's been overtaken.
in order to give balance, I said in my other reply to this thread, it has to be noted that AJ and Wilder have not peaked yet, so things can definitely change.

[Memphis]

Haye had a laser guided right hand in his pomp and against guys his own size it was devastating. Look back at any highlight real of his, it's all right hand.

He'd struggle to land that punch against the giants of the division. Despite his relationship with Wilder and some footage of him chinning him pretty good. I think Haye loses to both of them at any time.

[Ron Swanson]

People always say todays crop is worse. During Haye's "prime" when he fought nobody before his wasted years when he fought nobody it was called "the worst era in heavyweight history" by most. AJ and Wilder are talented in any era. How much success they would have in different eras can be debated but they are talented without doubt.

Hey, we can all slag Haye off, but he went up to HW as the undisputed best CW out there. Bellew went up , probably not even as one of the top 5 CW's and he's fucking ranked in the top 10 ffs.
at the time it probably was "the worst era in heavyweight history" , but it's been overtaken.
in order to give balance, I said in my other reply to this thread, it has to be noted that AJ and Wilder have not peaked yet, so things can definitely change.

My point is divisions go through ups and downs and we get caught in an era thinking it has to be the worst, but there were probably worse times. I mean who was around for The Cinderella Man to become champ? Dude was as journeyman as they come. Mike Tyson’s early reign was so empty they had to bring names out of retirement. MW is only now starting to fill out with 154 guys coming up to have some depth for the first time since the early 90s. Divisions(other than WW and LW usually) go through slumps.

It is a bad HW era, but there are 2 very talented fighters that could face off. HW there often aren’t 2. It could very well turn into AJ and everyone else, but it isn’t yet.

[Master]

Was Haye really that good as heavyweight than I remember?

It says more about the quality of the current crop.
I like AJ, but at the moment his best win was against a 41 year old.

I think a better question is would a prime Wlad beat AJ and Wilder?

[oakleyno1]

Was Haye really that good as heavyweight than I remember?

It says more about the quality of the current crop.
I like AJ, but at the moment his best win was against a 41 year old.

I think a better question is would a prime Wlad beat AJ and Wilder?

I'd say Yes.... although with the chin you can never be certain.

I do think AJ has space to grow more as a fighter though - and Wilder showed he has become more than jsut a banger in the first Stiverne fight.. so we might not say the same in a couple of years

[X]

Wilder has a much better jab than Joshua.

Watch AJ ..... every time he throws the jab, he brings it back to his hip level. It is not straight, and a decent fighter would make him pay dearly. Just like Schmeling did to Louis

[Primo Carnera]

Was Haye really that good as heavyweight than I remember?

It says more about the quality of the current crop.
I like AJ, but at the moment his best win was against a 41 year old.

I think a better question is would a prime Wlad beat AJ and Wilder?

Yeah of course he would mate, without question. Wlad is seen by some (probably not me) as top 10 of all time , so definitely top 20. AJ and Wilder are nowhere near that yet.
and also, as much as I like AJ, he went life and death with Wlad when Wlad was 41 and been out the ring nearly 2 years, so in his prime , there's no doubt.
People can slag off Wlad for being boring and holding (cue Eric) , but it's about hit and not getting hit and it's about Winning the way that suits you best.
in defence of AJ and Wilder, I have to say , we probably haven't seem them peak yet.

[Syntax Error]

Haye's HW career is one of the most cynical of all-time.

One could argue he's never beaten a single world class HW & that Monte Barrett is arguably he best HW he's beaten.

With his speed & elusiveness, he would have posed problems for both Joshua & Wilder, but I think he would have gone into his shell against both of them, although I would give him more of a chance versus Joshua who is slower & more predictable than Wilder.

[Syntax Error]

Was Haye really that good as heavyweight than I remember?

He was great against poor opposition.

We saw what Haye was like when he faced a giant world class HW in Wladimir.