Haye of 2009/10 vs Joshua and Wilder

[Master]

Was Haye really that good as heavyweight than I remember?

It says more about the quality of the current crop.
I like AJ, but at the moment his best win was against a 41 year old.

I think a better question is would a prime Wlad beat AJ and Wilder?

[oakleyno1]

Was Haye really that good as heavyweight than I remember?

It says more about the quality of the current crop.
I like AJ, but at the moment his best win was against a 41 year old.

I think a better question is would a prime Wlad beat AJ and Wilder?

I'd say Yes.... although with the chin you can never be certain.

I do think AJ has space to grow more as a fighter though - and Wilder showed he has become more than jsut a banger in the first Stiverne fight.. so we might not say the same in a couple of years

[X]

Wilder has a much better jab than Joshua.

Watch AJ ..... every time he throws the jab, he brings it back to his hip level. It is not straight, and a decent fighter would make him pay dearly. Just like Schmeling did to Louis

[Primo Carnera]

Was Haye really that good as heavyweight than I remember?

It says more about the quality of the current crop.
I like AJ, but at the moment his best win was against a 41 year old.

I think a better question is would a prime Wlad beat AJ and Wilder?

Yeah of course he would mate, without question. Wlad is seen by some (probably not me) as top 10 of all time , so definitely top 20. AJ and Wilder are nowhere near that yet.
and also, as much as I like AJ, he went life and death with Wlad when Wlad was 41 and been out the ring nearly 2 years, so in his prime , there's no doubt.
People can slag off Wlad for being boring and holding (cue Eric) , but it's about hit and not getting hit and it's about Winning the way that suits you best.
in defence of AJ and Wilder, I have to say , we probably haven't seem them peak yet.

[Syntax Error]

Haye's HW career is one of the most cynical of all-time.

One could argue he's never beaten a single world class HW & that Monte Barrett is arguably he best HW he's beaten.

With his speed & elusiveness, he would have posed problems for both Joshua & Wilder, but I think he would have gone into his shell against both of them, although I would give him more of a chance versus Joshua who is slower & more predictable than Wilder.