I've been to 5 African countries: trust me, they're shitholes

[Dark Lord Al]

It take 2 people to have a baby and yet you emphasise that the woman needs to stop having babies.Those Italian citizens, because that it what they are as they were born in the country, will grow up and contribute to the country. They will become labourers, plumbers, drivers, doctors, nurses, cooks, lawyers and business people who will pay taxes and support the dependant population in the country.

Most will claim benefits as they cant afford to keep the children they have , others will work minimum wage so never pay tax , their children will get free healthcare / education / etc. no real benefit to the indigenous stock.Taking in a qualified doctor is very different from a peasant with nothing , although id prefer to train doctors rather than take that option.Thats what happens when you let people from 3 world countries into a stable society , thankyou liberal ponces.

Germany has a aging population which is one of the reasons they took mass migration.

Whilst the children get educated they will want to secure good jobs after and do better than their parents.

You can see the next generation coming through, look at the German or Italy with boxers and footballers with Turkish and African backgrounds. France and England have longer history of it.

Germany took in mass migrants from 3 world countries because an inept idiotic insane Politician who for her own gains allowed it to happen . It is apparent Merkel was trying to write her name into the history books as a great leader with a Nobel peace prize.
Her name will indeed be written into history as a bloody minded fool , with only thinks of herself.

[Gandalf]

Okay then Beanz. How about a world where every single woman has 6 children? It would lead to environmental, economic, and social disaster within a couple of generations. We cannot simply keep doubling the human population every 10 years. Being nice and encouraging it does not help anyone. Instead all I am saying is that it would be a good idea for women not to have so many children. It would be good for the planet, good for society, and most of all better for those women who could spend time learning and working. Africa has problems, and like Attenborough says, the constant famines are really an issue of overpopulation. So is the migrant crisis. The UK would be a mess if the population doubled to 120 million. Uncontrolled population expansionism is a disaster no matter where it is. You cannot feed or house everyone when the population doubles every decade. Systems eventually break down as does society.

[Gandalf]

[Beanz]

Okay then Beanz. How about a world where every single woman has 6 children? It would lead to environmental, economic, and social disaster within a couple of generations. We cannot simply keep doubling the human population every 10 years. Being nice and encouraging it does not help anyone. Instead all I am saying is that it would be a good idea for women not to have so many children. It would be good for the planet, good for society, and most of all better for those women who could spend time learning and working. Africa has problems, and like Attenborough says, the constant famines are really an issue of overpopulation. So is the migrant crisis. The UK would be a mess if the population doubled to 120 million. Uncontrolled population expansionism is a disaster no matter where it is. You cannot feed or house everyone when the population doubles every decade. Systems eventually break down as does society.

We don't live in a world where every single woman has six children though do we? far from it. You are talking to someone from a very large family with children and grandchildren of his own, Both Jews and Gypsies have big families but I don't use that to try and suggest you should be like me or the cultures that i am from. Yet you are taking about Africa like it is all sub-Saharan Africa and ignoring first hand experience from X that proves how ignorant Trump and his idiot sheeple blow hard lackey Brockton are. Afghanistan, Congo, East Timor, Niger etc still have women having too many babies because ironically , war, famine and disasters keep fertility rates high. When parents are more confident they will survive they have less of them. Other countries in Africa are as different as those in Europe. Not only that but in countries like Ethiopia the fertility rates are going up in some parts and down in others. Still though in Ethiopia in the capital the average is less than two children per women and the rate is going down but in the mountains , nomads still have larger families, even there though it has fallen form 7 to 4.

This idiotic insistence that everything can be summed up in a twatty soundbite and that anyone who does not subscribe to it is PC is fucking mental. You end up with stupid people with big mouths dominating the discourse because anything they don't like they just ignore and put it down to fake news, mental illness or PC ponces.
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[Gandalf]

It is a matter of species survival that people have smaller families and stop having so many children. That it hurts someone's feelings because they come from a big family is neither here nor there. It is just reality and there is nothing mental about it. The facts are that many African countries have a birth rate of 5 children per woman and up and that is ecologically and morally very dangerous. There is no way to sugar coat that fact and to continue behaving like that will mean their children and their children in turn will have a worse standard of living. It will also lead to more and more problems in Europe and likely see a massive shift to the right. I don't particularly want to see that happen. If one really loves the planet and wants to make a difference all they need to do is stop having so many children. It is that simple. 4 children is still completely unsustainable. Mathematically 1 is decent, 2 pushing it and 3 and beyond a bit selfish. We have all the knowledge and information we need. We know that to keep pushing it like this the consequences will be dire.

[Beanz]

It is a matter of species survival that people have smaller families and stop having so many children. That it hurts someone's feelings because they come from a big family is neither here nor there. It is just reality and there is nothing mental about it. The facts are that many African countries have a birth rate of 5 children per woman and up and that is ecologically and morally very dangerous. There is no way to sugar coat that fact and to continue behaving like that will mean their children and their children in turn will have a worse standard of living. It will also lead to more and more problems in Europe and likely see a massive shift to the right. I don't particularly want to see that happen. If one really loves the planet and wants to make a difference all they need to do is stop having so many children. It is that simple. 4 children is still completely unsustainable. Mathematically 1 is decent, 2 pushing it and 3 and beyond a bit selfish. We have all the knowledge and information we need. We know that to keep pushing it like this the consequences will be dire.

Bullshit and you know it. It's not about hurting somebodies feelings other than you, Brockton and Trump. Nobody is telling you vacuous degenerates how to live your lives yet here you are lecturing people insisting they be like you. My daughter has 3 kids and you are calling her selfish? She works and so does her husband but you with your PS4 and 32 weeks off a year think she is the selfish one. If you are genuinely worried then maybe you should adopt and help raise some of the next generation to be just like you You are obviously afraid of having to meet more Africans as their population grows, but that is your issue, not the worlds. You are expecting the world to reflect your conservative right wing western values but that world does not work like that. When you say species survival you mean white men and asian women, not the human race

[brocktonblockbust]

Yes I would say she is selfish.

[Gandalf]

That is a peculiar rant. If every woman was to have 3 children each the world would also be in significant trouble, though less quickly than if every woman was having 6 children. The average is actually 2.5 in the world today and we heading towards Malthus style consequences as a result of even that. Mathematically it is not sustainable on a finite planet. As for the 'degenerate' and 'selfish' accusations. Well, that is neither here nor there with me. I am quite comfortable with my own impact on the environment.

[Spicoli]

It take 2 people to have a baby and yet you emphasise that the woman needs to stop having babies.Those Italian citizens, because that it what they are as they were born in the country, will grow up and contribute to the country. They will become labourers, plumbers, drivers, doctors, nurses, cooks, lawyers and business people who will pay taxes and support the dependant population in the country.

Most will claim benefits as they cant afford to keep the children they have , others will work minimum wage so never pay tax , their children will get free healthcare / education / etc. no real benefit to the indigenous stock.Taking in a qualified doctor is very different from a peasant with nothing , although id prefer to train doctors rather than take that option.Thats what happens when you let people from 3 world countries into a stable society , thankyou liberal ponces.

Indigenous stock . Interesting perspective, never seen that. Not speaking for Countries I've never lived in or know, lot of that going around, but locally that's a bit of an unrealistic want. Fact is there will always be minimum wage earners be it a starting wage for first timers in the job market or a single parent working 1 or 2 to make ends meat. Plenty of hard working guys and gals also require Government assist. This society wouldn't have it any other way and frankly we need them. I have no problem with immigrants who are willing to work regardless of what scholarships they can show at the boarder. I have little doubt that someone living a life with little to no modern conveniences, looking over their shoulder with warlords or famine and plying enough to actually make a physical and mental change can come here and frankly put many a spoiled 'peasant' to shame as far as work ethic and earning an opportunity in a free society. Willing to work and working forward is key for me.

how the helz did this become about Sweden ffs

[Beanz]

Yes I would say she is selfish.

You wouldn't say it to her face, or her husbands, and you certainly would not say it to mine. Just because people are different to you it does not make them inferior. You have just revealed who the self righteous moralising cunt has been all along. If you had three kids I would pity every one of them. Luckily all three of my grandchildren are very loved. Wanker.

[brocktonblockbust]

Yes I would say she is selfish.

You wouldn't say it to her face, or her husbands, and you certainly would not say it to mine. Just because people are different to you it does not make them inferior. You have just revealed who the self righteous moralising cunt has been all along. If you had three kids I would pity every one of them. Luckily all three of my grandchildren are very loved. Wanker.

I would love for you to give me the opportunity to say it to her face or her husband's face or yours to prove you wrong

[Fenster]

It is not diabolical to suggest that women be more responsible and stop having so many children.

I agree.

Looking at the immigration which is mostly young men, it makes you wonder if any of these men are actually in relationships or acting as fathers. Women should not be having relationships with low quality men. There is no excuse for it.

This bit is diabolical.

A man cannot give birth but a woman chooses to get pregnant and chooses to keep the baby. She controls the situation. It shouldn't be easy to knock someone up. It's not classy. If she does this again and again then you have to question her behavior. It's a given that all too many men are rascals.

And this bit.

You're essentially blaming the victim. Everything is the womans fault, even the terrible behaviour of the man, who bears no responsibility for the children, mother, contraception, etc.

The lives/opportunities of young mothers from the west and poor countries are totally different, you don't even make the distinction, they're all just terrible women making selfish evil choices.

You identify thousands of young possible squrters leaving their families to find a better life yet blame the women from those countries for not having the education, means and forward planning to comfortably raise the offspring. Most of these people are polluted with religion, the woman has no rights or choice in her partner, raising children is their job, they rely on the man as the bread winner, contraception/abortion is not even an option.

[Gandalf]

Generally getting pregnant is not about being a victim. If you are suggesting otherwise and that life for women really is this bad then where is the controversy over what Trump said? I am saying you cannot have it both ways. I am also saying why are you letting all these men into Europe too?

Certainly in the West getting pregnant is a personal choice and the woman is generally not a victim. She chooses her partner and lets things happen. It is a choice to get pregnant to men who are not suitable father material. The state will let them jump the line to housing and benefits. They are rewarded.

At the end of the day you typically choose who you sleep with and with and can choose if you get pregnant. We see in Asia people have less children. Africa for various reasons refuses to exercise the same vigilance and it is even more cruel considering there are no resources. It is selfish. To be fair I will say the men are being selfish too.

[Beanz]

Yes I would say she is selfish.

You wouldn't say it to her face, or her husbands, and you certainly would not say it to mine. Just because people are different to you it does not make them inferior. You have just revealed who the self righteous moralising cunt has been all along. If you had three kids I would pity every one of them. Luckily all three of my grandchildren are very loved. Wanker.

I would love for you to give me the opportunity to say it to her face or her husband's face or yours to prove you wrong

Why the fuck anyone gives you the time of day is beyond me. You are a freak. Why would I let a guy who takes pictures of himself gurning with other people's kids anywhere near my family A married couple choosing to have three kids is not selfish. You are just sucking up to Miles who like you seems to think everyone should be like him.

[Fenster]

Generally getting pregnant is not about being a victim. If you are suggesting otherwise and that life for women really is this bad then where is the controversy over what Trump said? I am saying you cannot have it both ways. I am also saying why are you letting all these men into Europe too?

Certainly in the West getting pregnant is a personal choice and the woman is generally not a victim. She chooses her partner and lets things happen. It is a choice to get pregnant to men who are not suitable father material. The state will let them jump the line to housing and benefits. They are rewarded.

At the end of the day you typically choose who you sleep with and with and can choose if you get pregnant. We see in Asia people have less children. Africa for various reasons refuses to exercise the same vigilance and it is even more cruel considering there are no resources. It is selfish. To be fair I will say the men are being selfish too.

I thought your dad was a rotter that abandoned you and your mum (maybe I have you mixed up with someone else)? So you believe it was your mothers fault that he left? That she should have picked a better partner?

Millions and millions of pregnancies are an accident. It is very naive to think any of us were planned, whether we come from a family unit or not. The choice isn't always the mothers whether or not they have/keep a child, a whole load of factors determine that. However, invariably mothers are left with the child when relationships breakdown whether they like it or not, they get a far rawer deal than men.

China's 30-40 year one child policy has only just been eased.

On the whole, I agree with you, it's a disgrace that people have kids that they can't adequately support/raise. Thickos raising thickos. However, the mother is not solely to blame, that's all i'm saying.