The Wilder Excuses Begin

[Beanz]

In early April Finkel said

‘We are prepared to meet as soon as possible, anywhere, anytime, and when I meet Matchroom [Joshua’s promoters] I will have the authority to make the deal. It’s for the better for everybody, and the sport. Unless someone has another agenda. We are ready. Let’s make the fight.’

So why did he not turn up?

Where is Haymon agreeing to show Hearn the money? A cellphone shot on Instagram. I can't see anything anywhere from Haymon.


So Hearn replies to Wiler's e-mail

"we are very interested in making this fight, please send us a draft contract"

and the reply from Wilder's team ?


"you have to accept the fight and then we will send you the contract"


It's not misdirection to ask for a draft contract at all. It's perfectly normal.

[Ron Swanson]

In early April Finkel said

‘We are prepared to meet as soon as possible, anywhere, anytime, and when I meet Matchroom [Joshua’s promoters] I will have the authority to make the deal. It’s for the better for everybody, and the sport. Unless someone has another agenda. We are ready. Let’s make the fight.’

So why did he not turn up?

Where is Haymon agreeing to show Hearn the money? A cellphone shot on Instagram. I can't see anything anywhere from Haymon.


So Hearn replies to Wiler's e-mail

"we are very interested in making this fight, please send us a draft contract"

and the reply from Wilder's team ?


"you have to accept the fight and then we will send you the contract"


It's not misdirection to ask for a draft contract at all. It's perfectly normal.

I agree with you here. Except they've already dealt with Eddie “negotiating” in bad faith. So because they’ve dealt with Eddie negotiating in bad faith already they want one concession, to agree to the money. The money they asked for. (Perhaps you recall Eddie saying Wilder’s camp never contacts them so Finkell called into the radio show he was on and called BS, and Eddie never said they didn’t try to contact him again because it was BS. Then they “negotiated” for one day. And went on to make the Parker fight as everyone knew would happen. That’s negotiating in bad faith)

Notice you don’t see Eddie saying “we need to see the money” anymore. That is because Haymon agreed to show him the money. Now instead he says he needs to see how they intend to generate money from the fight. He would see that in negotiations. If he doesn’t like where the money comes from he can say so then. He’s invented a problem before a problem existed.

All he has to agree to is the money they asked for. To demonstrate genuine interest. Of course they want proof of interest since he’s already burned them wasting their time.

Deontay’s entire team is in New York ready to meet, including Wilder. Hearn is in New York. Just agree to the money and get it started. Remember they said they “would agree tomorrow” if offered 50 million. We’re on day 3 and still they haven’t agreed to simply the money.

Eddie says he wants to meet. To meet all he has to do is agree to the money they asked for. He won’t do that. Yet people believe he wants to meet. It’s maddening.

Let’s look at it a different way. A simple agreement to the money for the fight is not binding. Why not agree to it to call their bluff? If they said no to the meeting still we have answers, all the answers. Who then is keeping us from having all the answers? And who keeps raising more questions?

[Beanz]

If Deontay's team are all in New York waiting to meet, than why don't they meet Hearn and then tell everybody that he refused their offer, even after meeting them? What have they possibly got to lose by meeting? By refusing to discuss things face to face, or even offer a draft contract or outline, Wilder's team are making themselves look unprofessional, and losing any upper hand they may have believed they had.

Hearn and Joshua are hrdly wasting anyone's time by suggesting that they meet and hammer out a contract. Hearn and Matchroom are not some inexperienced new kids on the block fudging their way thru. They have a proven track record of putting together fights and shows on an international scale, but It seems that Wilders team are just being churlish and want to be seen to have the upper hand, because they know they really are not the A side here. Haymon may be, but he is simply the advisor, whereas Wilder thinks that he is something he is not. He is not the draw he thinks he is, and it irks. That is why he would not come to the UK for Joshua's last fight, and why he does not want to come and fight away from home.

We are used to it here in the UK. Everyone expects us to travel, and even when our fighters do, they still expect people to pay for PPV at a time in the morning most American boxing fans would never accept.

[Ron Swanson]

If Deontay's team are all in New York waiting to meet, than why don't they meet Hearn and then tell everybody that he refused their offer, even after meeting them? What have they possibly got to lose by meeting? By refusing to discuss things face to face, or even offer a draft contract or outline, Wilder's team are making themselves look unprofessional, and losing any upper hand they may have believed they had.

Hearn and Joshua are hrdly wasting anyone's time by suggesting that they meet and hammer out a contract. Hearn and Matchroom are not some inexperienced new kids on the block fudging their way thru. They have a proven track record of putting together fights and shows on an international scale, but It seems that Wilders team are just being churlish and want to be seen to have the upper hand, because they know they really are not the A side here. Haymon may be, but he is simply the advisor, whereas Wilder thinks that he is something he is not. He is not the draw he thinks he is, and it irks. That is why he would not come to the UK for Joshua's last fight, and why he does not want to come and fight away from home.

We are used to it here in the UK. Everyone expects us to travel, and even when our fighters do, they still expect people to pay for PPV at a time in the morning most American boxing fans would never accept.

Again, they won’t meet because thry’ve already dealt with Eddie negotiating in bad faith. What they have to lose by meeting is their time that can be used meeting with people that intend to do business. Eddie should show they intend to do business.

Eddie made requests, requests were approved. Why can’t one request of simply agreeing to the money be approved? Again, it’s the money they asked for!

Eddie is wasting their time if he doesn’t intend to make the fight. There is no reason not to agree to the money you asked for if you want to make the fight.

And here you are like Eddie bringing up things that don’t matter. A side, B side. This matters when determining the money, who enters first etcetera. It doesn’t matter when talking about agreeing to what you asked for.

“Wilder thinks he is something that he is not” again, irrelevant. It doesn’t matter what Wilder is. It matters what he offered. Just more distraction from what matters.

As for Wilder “would not come to U.K. for Joshua’s last fight” he had tickets bought and plans to travel until Joshua said he couldn’t get in the ring. Then when Wilder said he wouldn’t come because of that AJ said he didn’t say that(which he did) but rather that he needed a contract first(not what he said) then he said Fury could get in the ring(curious because no contract!)

He doesn’t want to fight away from home because away from home he gets 12.5, 27.5 for Joshua. You are right, UK fans get screwed because they will buy a fight at a crap hour. US fans won’t. And because of this the fight makes more money in the USA. As proven by the offers. Hearn himself said the fight makes more in the USA. You can be absolutely sure if Eddie said we’ll give Wilder 50 to go to U.K. that offer is signed immediately

[Ron Swanson]

As for yet another distraction from the fact Eddie won’t agree to what they asked for, Brezeale. Yes it’s been ordered, this is not new information. But notice it is not listed, because Wilder’s team has not agreed while waiting on Eddie.

All these distractions from what matters. Agree to the money and negotiate

[Ron Swanson]

To me this looks like Pac/Mayweather. Great buiness, look at all the publicity. But not great for getting the fight.

And let's remember when the fight was made, when Pac agreed on the money.

Sure Pac said he would fight for free. But look back when Pac became Floyd's mandatory. You will see me saying Pac will not enforce it he will fight Bradley because Bradley had the only other belt. It was the only fight that would get him removed from the mandatory spot he didn't want. Because he didn't want the mandatory split.

These things come down to money, if the money is agreed the other stuff is sorted out. So agree to the money if you want to fight.

I just want the fight.

[Ron Swanson]

This is why I can't shut up on the matter. All these distractions that people allow. When we all know if the money is agreed it will get sorted out. Every single one of us knows this

[brocktonblockbust]

Wilder and Wilders team don't have a lot of patience to begin with, they're certainly not going to let Eddie just Fritter away their time. Being in New York people don't have a lot of time to piss away AT ALL.

AND NO WE AIN'T GETTIN UP AT 4 A.M. TO WATCH A PRIZE FIGHT